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Basher_tsv . . looks good mate , bet that's loud , how much power you using ?

XFwannaBA . . . resonant frequency changes with box design , but basically with testing you will find that if you can match the port frequency to the car then gains will come , however once you find it , it may/will change in a different model car ie. hatch compared to wagon.

ZapXR6T . . . the reason people spend lots of money is because to get loud music that is reliable it costs a fair bit , if its setup correctly then loud can still sound good except you really feel it.

The misconception about Db levels is that when people say 'over 140 will kill ya ' in fact it will at high frequency , except when we test cars for SPL it is all below 80hz and its only slow sound waves that dont travel fast enough to damage your hearing. A jet engine @ 1 meter makes 140+Db and would probably kill you.

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I think standing behind a Jet Engine is gauranteed to at least Singe you :)

KAL, are you talking about standing wave interaction? Its a principle that explains why you shouldnt have a cube for a Woofer Box as the waves can "crash" into each other and give variations of 5Db from the same signal.

So, I assume if it can negate a wave by 5Db, it can also give you 5Db of amplification.

What I have picked up is mainly theoretical but I do have a little bit of experience designing boxes,Heres what I have at home.

A single box, with what Im driving into it (~500WRMS@8Ohm) will give about 135Db.Its around 160L (can't remember exactly) and is just over 120Cm in height. 20 Odd mm MDF with some decent bracing.They're mainly for Mid Bass work and the Ports have tuned it to about 55Hz. -3Db point from memory was about 40Hz maybe a bit higher.

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That is the Port tuning frequency, not what the box starts at. It is -3Db at 36Hz and 0Db down at just on 40Hz. Then there is a bit of lift from 40 all the way through to 200odd, with a peak of +4Db at 55. The reason I designed it this way was that most MP3 completely lack midbass. When listening to originals, I am lucky I have a pair of 1/3 Octave 31 Band Equalisers to cancel that out :)

The boxes are really optimised for "throw" and mid bass reinforcement rather than anything else. They double as speakers for DJing they're not home theatre speakers at all. They do their job adequately, for home use I'll put together a nice pair of Boxes with some Peerless 6.5" :)

For decent sub-bass, im knocking together a pair of 12" Subs. They'll be tuned to 24.7Hz. They're 3Db down at 23Hz and are up to response at 30Hz. Once again I'll be running another 500Watt into them each.

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Just a 200W soundstream P202e bridged into the sub ... and the other for the front spilts ... goes nice. .. and is a good cure for constipation!

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Basher_tsv . . looks good mate , bet that's loud , how much power you using ?

XFwannaBA . . . resonant frequency changes with box design , but basically with testing you will find that if you can match the port frequency to the car then gains will come , however once you find it , it may/will change in a different model car ie. hatch compared to wagon.

ZapXR6T . . . the reason people spend lots of money is because to get loud music that is reliable it costs a fair bit , if its setup correctly then loud can still sound good except you really feel it.

The misconception about Db levels is that when people say 'over 140 will kill ya ' in fact it will at high frequency , except when we test cars for SPL it is all below 80hz and its only slow sound waves that dont travel fast enough to damage your hearing. A jet engine @ 1 meter makes 140+Db and would probably kill you.

Noise levels above 140DB can stop your heart and do do hearing damage that is why if you are in a vehicle in a competition and you sound system pulls above 140db you are instantly disqualified.

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