Street racing Death

[ktford]

  XR6ISM said:

  Turbo6 said:

What about implementing a power-to-weight ratio restriction for younger drivers??

A 17 yo can realistically grab a new xr6 turbo, bomb the arse off it and end up with around 350 rwkw. Regardless of how the car handles, let me just say they are an absolute handful if not driven accordingly, multiply this by about 100 in the wet. A much harder car to drive than a wrx because of the rear wheel drive and way, way too powerful for a young person. At present, they can go and buy a SR20 turbo engined 180SX for next to nothing and again turn it into a mobile disaster not being able to control the light switch power.

Make the cutoff 25 years and let them have Excels with wrx bonnet scoops until then...............or some equivalent. At least when they crash them, it will be at far less speed. :lol:

I think this would be an ideal solution. Little ricers everywhere..........

that would hardly be fair to the rest of us.........im a 23 year old male driving a XR6 Turbo, and I see no reason why I shouldnt be allowed to do so (or why I should be restricted to an excel !). Like everybody else here, it would be a lie if I said ive never given it a hit off the lights, I have, but there is a time and a place for things like that.......obviously peak hour traffic on the way home from work is NOT one of them. It all comes to comon sense, and knowing where the limit is.

I think the problem here is not enough driver training and licenses being WAY to easy to obtain. Advanced driving courses should be a MUST and applicants should be taken to a skid pad to prove that they have some basic driving skills. Not just a simple drive around the block. What does that prove !!!

Furthermore, I recall reading a coment about cars being defected in brighton, one member associated done up cars with hoons. The question to ask here is how many of you "older" people lowered your T and put wheels on it. How many have got APS kits. Does this also make you hoons ??

Its so easy to generalise. Instead of doing so, the actual Hoons should be given some LARGE fines when they are cought. A slap on the wrist, 3 points and 200 bucks is hardly a deterant for these people.

Anyway, enough yacking from me

- Dean

statistics aren't on your side & how much driver training have you completed. Nobody is saying that you can't control your car but the majority of youngens try something that gets out of control & there's no going back.

Scotty

ps. what Shane said is a start, I'm just glad that it wasn't in force when I was a lad

[geea]

It looks like, after reading this thread, that besides myself and possibly Scotty that the rest of you lot drove like little old ladies driving to church on Sundays all through out your teenage/early 20's. I find this slightly hard to believe.

Geea.

[physh]

Not one of us can honestly say we've never done something stupid like that.

On the radio this morning, a segment on "Stupid But Lucky"... I think applies to all of us.

I'm 24, drive an XR6T, love adrenaline sports, ride a motorbike, race my celica, and I've sure as heck done some sensationally stupid things.

BUT...

When all's said and done, the younger the person in control of the car, the less likely it is that they will consider the consequences of their actions, and the less likely it is that they have the appropriate experience to control any given situation.

Perhaps one of the only solutions IS to attempt to protect people from themselves - as well as protect everyone around them too.

Limit the type and power of cars to ALL drivers, and don't let them near anything powerful until they have proven themselves capable through driver training, certification (CAMS etc), and a proven road record.

As a suggestion I think it has great merit - even though the naysayers will jump in and try to beat it down as usual. "Can't make us give up our cars! Can't take our choice away!" yadda yadda.

To those that would argue:

Of all those people controlling high powered vehicles on public roads, how many of them are truly capable of remaining in control of them?

In answer - there is no harm in allowing people to drive whatever vehicle they want, but make sure they are ABLE to control the vehicle of their choice.

Why do you think motorcycle riders have a power-weight ratio limit on bikes they can ride???

How much would such a "licence level" system cost to implement?

Millions.

How much are the lives of those who are killed on Australia's roads each year worth?

How much will this sort of system reduce the toll???

Go and ask someone who has lost a family member how much that life was worth.

Gah.

[Trumpy]

I never really had a quick enough car as a young lad to get into much trouble.

I had one of those indestructible subaru 4wd wagons (before the liberty was released), that I used to take up to the fire trails behind the mountains near my place. Used to think I was Golin McRae, sliding it around with all 4 spinning. I guess I am lucky not to be wrapped around a tree.

Only ever dragged people in the wet with it, as it used to launch OK, but the 1.8 litres of boxer 4 "power" was quickly overcome....

Only had a run in with an officer once, when I came fanging around a suburban corner to see him coming the other way. Pulled me over, gave me a clip over the ears for being an idiot, and said that if I wanted to have a go, take the car out the back of the hills where I couldnt kill anyone else. Seems the officer remembered he was young once as well, and gave me a stern warning and let me go. I have never forgotten this event to this day.

Every bloke drives like an idiot when on P plates, its a fact. I used to fishtail the old mans work Late model camira every time it rained.

I think that I am lucky to be here talking about it sometimes, as my ambition outwighed my capabilities on many occasions. Something to pass on when I have kids.

[plonky]

  geea said:

It looks like, after reading this thread, that besides myself and possibly Scotty that the rest of you lot drove like little old ladies driving to church on Sundays all through out your teenage/early 20's. I find this slightly hard to believe.

Geea.

You forgot me

I threw my hand up early in the piece admitting that I used to race my GT before I joined the cops.

I also said it was dumb and I was lucky.

I know exactly how dangerous it is because driving hard on public roads is my job and no matter how skilled you are you can still come unstuck....I've had two big crashes at work (admittedly they were over 10 years ago) and pursuits and urgent duties are things that I don't engage lightly.

I'm concerned with the other cretins on the roads

That's why the only safe place is at a racetrack or drag strip

[XR6ISM]

  ktford said:

  XR6ISM said:

  Turbo6 said:

What about implementing a power-to-weight ratio restriction for younger drivers??

A 17 yo can realistically grab a new xr6 turbo, bomb the arse off it and end up with around 350 rwkw. Regardless of how the car handles, let me just say they are an absolute handful if not driven accordingly, multiply this by about 100 in the wet. A much harder car to drive than a wrx because of the rear wheel drive and way, way too powerful for a young person. At present, they can go and buy a SR20 turbo engined 180SX for next to nothing and again turn it into a mobile disaster not being able to control the light switch power.

Make the cutoff 25 years and let them have Excels with wrx bonnet scoops until then...............or some equivalent. At least when they crash them, it will be at far less speed. :lol:

I think this would be an ideal solution. Little ricers everywhere..........

that would hardly be fair to the rest of us.........im a 23 year old male driving a XR6 Turbo, and I see no reason why I shouldnt be allowed to do so (or why I should be restricted to an excel !). Like everybody else here, it would be a lie if I said ive never given it a hit off the lights, I have, but there is a time and a place for things like that.......obviously peak hour traffic on the way home from work is NOT one of them. It all comes to comon sense, and knowing where the limit is.

I think the problem here is not enough driver training and licenses being WAY to easy to obtain. Advanced driving courses should be a MUST and applicants should be taken to a skid pad to prove that they have some basic driving skills. Not just a simple drive around the block. What does that prove !!!

Furthermore, I recall reading a coment about cars being defected in brighton, one member associated done up cars with hoons. The question to ask here is how many of you "older" people lowered your T and put wheels on it. How many have got APS kits. Does this also make you hoons ??

Its so easy to generalise. Instead of doing so, the actual Hoons should be given some LARGE fines when they are cought. A slap on the wrist, 3 points and 200 bucks is hardly a deterant for these people.

Anyway, enough yacking from me

- Dean

statistics aren't on your side & how much driver training have you completed. Nobody is saying that you can't control your car but the majority of youngens try something that gets out of control & there's no going back.

Scotty

ps. what Shane said is a start, I'm just glad that it wasn't in force when I was a lad

Stage One defensive driving with Ian Luff at Oran Park, about to go do Stage II as well :lol:

And yes, I agree with you, most young people dont know squat about driving, they think knowing how to drive is doing a burnout......that's not controlling your car or knowing how to drive............!

It would be nice if they could look at young people on an individual basis, but that will never happen !

That goes for insurance too, but that's another topic lol

[Adam]

  Turbo6 said:

What about implementing a power-to-weight ratio restriction for younger drivers??

We have this in Victoria while the driver is on their P's.

I'm 23 and I consider it not so much a matter of skill as to why they get in trouble it's more of a matter of stupidity. I know alot of young people around my town who have crashed their cars and in 99% of cases it's been because they've been doing something stupid eg. speeding, drag racing, donuts, burnouts and drink driving just to name a few. The problem is most young people have the "it will never happen to me" attitude.

[plonky]

Power to eight

speed limited

etc etc

It's all very well (not having a go at anyone here) to suggest these things

but........

the majority of collisions which involve injuries happen at speeds less than the posted limit and are due to stupid things like driving through Stop signs without stopping, disobeying traffic lights, sideswiping cars when changing lanes without indicating, overtaking where it's unsafe (against the unbroken lines) and the main one, driving into a corner at a speed way too fast and not being able to brake before the bend, or, once the car is out of control, not being able to recover the car.

It is very unusual to have an injury crash due soley to a car travelling at very high speed.

[Velvet Glove]

  plonky said:

Power to eight

speed limited

etc etc

It's all very well (not having a go at anyone here) to suggest these things

but........

the majority of collisions which involve injuries happen at speeds less than the posted limit and are due to stupid things like driving through Stop signs without stopping, disobeying traffic lights, sideswiping cars when changing lanes without indicating, overtaking where it's unsafe (against the unbroken lines) and the main one, driving into a corner at a speed way too fast and not being able to brake before the bend, or, once the car is out of control, not being able to recover the car.

It is very unusual to have an injury crash due soley to a car travelling at very high speed.

Agreed. Speed in a straight line, on its own, causes few accidents. Its when u combine speed with anything else that the problems start (I.e. not looking, not cornering correctly, too fast for a corner, not compensating for whats going on on the road).

Accelerating/decelerating through corners is my all time favourite

The Glove

[XR6ISM]

  Velvet Glove said:

  plonky said:

Accelerating/decelerating through corners is my all time favourite

WOAAAAA, that's what im talking about

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