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Just on a side note people - If you wish to use compression for Music on your computer that A/Keeps files small and B/ Still sounds good. either use the lossless SHN format (very bulky and not well supported with players though) or go for AT LEAST 224 kBp/s Full Stereo to keep as much quality as you can while keeping the files small.

If you examine the wave's between CDA and 256K its fairly close, not perfect but FAR better than <shudder> 128K that most fileservers are full of!

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  Symon said:
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I reckon you'd have a tough time telling the difference between 160kbps MP3 and the original CD in the Ford/Teac system anyway.

Normal CDR's are sampled at about 320kps, so you will lose some quality, not that your ear will really be able to tell anyway.

I was refering more to the limitations of the stock systems.

Anyhow, that's a load of bull that 'modification' stuff. Hopefully if it does come to that, Ford will do the loyal thing and repalce/fix the system.

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  Scootre said:
Oh... I forgot to tell everyone the latest reason why we all should not be using CDRs in our BA audio systems...

When I spoke to the 13Ford guy (the one that became rude when asked why I hadn't received a reply to my letter), he told me that the use of CDRs in the Audio System was mentioned on page 16 of the "Customer Assistance Warranty and Service Giude".

I had that book handy and asked him where on the page it said CDRs would void a warranty. He said, the part that says...

You'll love this one...

'... any defect in, which is attributable to, or the use of, any MODIFICATION made to the vehicle...".

Say what? He then said... "the use of CDRs is a MODIFICATION".

See? We can use fully sick CDRs to rice up our cars folks! And I bet nobody had thought of that one. You've read it here first.

I'll have a glass of what he's drinking.

I tell you... the bullsh!t level coming out of 13Ford is threatening to exceed prescribed limits.

I haven't laughed so hard in ages. :lol: At least 13FORD brightened my otherwise dull day!

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So now the latest installment...

13Ford guy (yes, that abusive SOB...) told me that ASL (the repairers used by FoMoCo for the units) have advised that CDRs should not be used in the BA Premium Audio.

A call to ASL reveals that CDRs are fine to use in the Audio system. In fact, the guy told me that "about 90% of owners actually use CDRs in their Audio systems". He added that "we know of no known issues with using CDRs in your BA Audio system and either way, if one jammed and the disk was not at fault, we'd just fix it and be done with it - and FoMoCo would be not be advised what type of disk was used because nobody cares".

As far as I'm concerned, said abusive person at 13Ford is either a liar or totally incompetant. :ta:

So... I spoke with one of the managers at 13Ford (one of the few with any customer service skills) who confirms they had just spoken with the manufacturer of the units, Sumitomo, and that the use of CDRs is fine providing they have no physical defects and that no stick-on labels are used.

According to that manager at 13Ford, a letter will be forthcoming stating that where CDRs are used in the system and they jam, providing no physical defect in the disk is found, it will be covered under warranty.

Anyway... some sense at last. I await the letter with baited breath... ;)

Looks like there is some serious training issues needed at Ford Customer Service... :ermm:

Cant wait to make a warranty claim on any other component in the car... NOT. :ta:

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I was told by a dealer that the main reason for the CD compression option in the menu of the Prem sound system was to add an inbuilt compensation to quality of burnt CD's and this was one of the best additions made to the new sound system to make it more customer friendly. Of course a dealer will say anything to make a sale. The owners manual says a different story about increasing lower sound levels above the normal road noises on CD's. Again it does not specify CDR's

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A quick 2 things I want to bring up here.

1. If the BA system "sees" the CDR it indeed will play it and it is therefore designed to play it. So any crap from ford about no warranty is exactly that, except if your CDR explodes like that other pic( never seen that before)

2. Whilst I don't (and won't) be the music police here, I will give everyone a warning. Stealling MP3's from the net is illegal, there are no gray areas here. You are stealing from artists and the whole food chain down from the songwriter. Whislt I won't dob you in, I love this site and all the help I have got from it. Some of you in your posts have already given more than enough information to be prosecuted, and trust me according to the law, it only takes one track on one CD and your gone (criminal record).

So for the sake of people like me who earn a living from selling CD's, please don't do it :hiwelcome: ...I know I can't stop you as most people believe it to be OK to pirate music. :smilielol:

At least don't post that you have here cause I would hate for anyone to be prosecuted from what seems to be an innocent post.

:o for reading and next time your downloading, think of all the people who have gone into making the track, around 400-500 hours for a top of the line production (ie Kylie, prince,madonna, Elton John, any one else in this league). So if you down load an album its about 5000 - 6000 man hours gone into it, don't you think that's worth $20-$30 of your money.... I do.

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  NYOPA said:
A quick 2 things I want to bring up here.

1. If the BA system "sees" the CDR it indeed will play it and it is therefore designed to play it. So any crap from ford about no warranty is exactly that, except if your CDR explodes like that other pic( never seen that before)

2. Whilst I don't (and won't) be the music police here, I will give everyone a warning. Stealling MP3's from the net is illegal, there are no gray areas here. You are stealing from artists and the whole food chain down from the songwriter. Whislt I won't dob you in, I love this site and all the help I have got from it. Some of you in your posts have already given more than enough information to be prosecuted, and trust me according to the law, it only takes one track on one CD and your gone (criminal record).

So for the sake of people like me who earn a living from selling CD's, please don't do it :hiwelcome: ...I know I can't stop you as most people believe it to be OK to pirate music. :smilielol:

At least don't post that you have here cause I would hate for anyone to be prosecuted from what seems to be an innocent post.

:o for reading and next time your downloading, think of all the people who have gone into making the track, around 400-500 hours for a top of the line production (ie Kylie, prince,madonna, Elton John, any one else in this league). So if you down load an album its about 5000 - 6000 man hours gone into it, don't you think that's worth $20-$30 of your money.... I do.

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On the subject of using MP3's, for me personally, I mostly use MP3's from albums I have purchased. I mp3 them as a way of backing up. Mainly because I hate it when the originals get a scratch and if I like the album I have to fork out for another copy. I do have the odd downloaded mp3 from the internet or copied from friends.

Having said that, there is one thing I seriously don't like about the argument the "record industry" use. When they quote the amount of money lost from MP3's of artist music being downloaded with say Kazaa, they assume that every single song/album downloaded means that they have lost an album sale. But really, if Mp3's didn't exist would people actually buy some of those songs/albums in the first place.

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On the subject of the music/video industry, granted one should buy the original and to pirate them takes money from the artist and all associated people down the chain. However here in the great land of OZ they are over priced the same CD or DVD can be purchased elsewhere for almost half price. Why is this? Sony Australia is making a fourtune from us. If a Artist cd in the US is typically less than $15 AUD why do we pay $24 AUD where is the $9 odd dollars going? If the record companies want to stop the pirate industry how about they get honest and and look after the consumer. If all top 10 cd's were not so over priced compared to other contries people wouldn't bother downloading from the net and would purchase originals.

I have actually purchased a DVD from the US and paid $2 more including the international shipping cost of $17. What does this mean. It means cd's are about $9 too expensive and DVD's about $15 too expensive. Don't bother saying it's related to shipping cost cause that's Bulls**t. Most cd's/dvd's are made in the cheaper labour countries like China. Shipping to the US from China or here what's the difference. Not much I would imagine.

NYOPA if you think it is a fair price to pay $20-$30 for a cd more fool you. The price compared to other countries is insanely stupid. Locally produced cd's should even be cheaper. When record companies get wise and stop ripping off the consumer then the consumer will stop ripping off the record companies.

And that's my $9-$15 worth

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