Oils Aint Oils <Merged Thread>

[rex13bt]

Polyalphaolefins (PAOs)

They do exhibit excellent low-temperature properties, but don't they tend to shrink rubber seal material. Low temperature stabilitiy below 40 degrees isn't an issuse in most of australia.

It is also a double ester base with part complex ester part polmer ester not the standard ester varient you describe.

The list of companies who use motul Nismo official oil, Expensive Daewoo Racing team, Konica Racing team GTP cup and CNJ Motorsport. All of which I believe to be acomplish motorsport competitors and engine builders or am I wrong?

http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/motuloil.html

With the ability to withstand 365 degrees farenheiht or 185 degrees celcius I believe the oil to be adequate.

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/fluids.htm

The imformation you require for high temperature shear of motul 300v 5w40.

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b14s113p1387

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16784

http://www.motorspot.com/300v.html

http://www.techcraft.co.uk/oilpage.html

PAO’s do have a low pour point as do most synthetics as they do not contain waxes that are present in mineral oils. I not sure what you are getting at with this comment. Most oils will swell rubber seals. A 100% pure PAO will not. However oils formulated on PAO’s will contain 10-20% ester. The ester is used to give the oil the same seal swell properties of a mineral oil as well as helping disperse additives.

Esters ain’t esters. There are a number of different ester, however I am not 100% sure which one Motul use. WTF is a double ester? Here is some good information on esters.

http://www.hatcocorporation.com/pages/about_esters.html

The following link to motul 300v 5w40 was interesting

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/fluids.htm

It gives a detailed explanation on High Temperature High Shear viscosity, but does not state a result for the product. All they say is that a 50 or 60 grade will give the best result. Very very strange.

This link confirms the API specification of the oil.

http://www.motorspot.com/300v.html

It’s a API SH. The latest specification is SL and SM will be out in a couple of months, so it doesn’t meet the latest API SL specification or it has not been tested for it.

I would be careful quoting who uses what oil. I know what engine oil is used in a number of leading supercar teams and it is not an off the shelf product.

I have no doubt the product would be able to withstand temperatures of 365°F or higher, however I would not recommend using any XXW/30 in a XR6 Turbo that is driven hard. The reason being that any 30 grade, whether it is a mineral, PAO or ester, will become very thin at 150°C and as I said before it is possible to reach this oil temperature in the T.

[dingah2]

I'm with you - 30 grade is a case for extreme optimism in my opinion.

We'll probably discover that the bloke that started all the research and debate on this thread buggered off to K-Mart last wweek and bouth what's on special andshoevd it in anyway!

It's like VB vs Coopers or Ford vs Holden, diffrent strokes for different blokes whatever the facts available.

Makes for an interesting read anyway.

Dingah

[SR-71 Blackbird]

Polyalphaolefins (PAOs)

They do exhibit excellent low-temperature properties, but don't they tend to shrink rubber seal material. Low temperature stabilitiy below 40 degrees isn't an issuse in most of australia.

It is also a double ester base with part complex ester part polmer ester not the standard ester varient you describe.

The list of companies who use motul Nismo official oil, Expensive Daewoo Racing team, Konica Racing team GTP cup and CNJ Motorsport. All of which I believe to be acomplish motorsport competitors and engine builders or am I wrong?

http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/motuloil.html

With the ability to withstand 365 degrees farenheiht or 185 degrees celcius I believe the oil to be adequate.

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/fluids.htm

The imformation you require for high temperature shear of motul 300v 5w40.

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b14s113p1387

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16784

http://www.motorspot.com/300v.html

http://www.techcraft.co.uk/oilpage.html

PAO’s do have a low pour point as do most synthetics as they do not contain waxes that are present in mineral oils. I not sure what you are getting at with this comment. Most oils will swell rubber seals. A 100% pure PAO will not. However oils formulated on PAO’s will contain 10-20% ester. The ester is used to give the oil the same seal swell properties of a mineral oil as well as helping disperse additives.

Esters ain’t esters. There are a number of different ester, however I am not 100% sure which one Motul use. WTF is a double ester? Here is some good information on esters.

http://www.hatcocorporation.com/pages/about_esters.html

The following link to motul 300v 5w40 was interesting

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/fluids.htm

It gives a detailed explanation on High Temperature High Shear viscosity, but does not state a result for the product. All they say is that a 50 or 60 grade will give the best result. Very very strange.

This link confirms the API specification of the oil.

http://www.motorspot.com/300v.html

It’s a API SH. The latest specification is SL and SM will be out in a couple of months, so it doesn’t meet the latest API SL specification or it has not been tested for it.

I would be careful quoting who uses what oil. I know what engine oil is used in a number of leading supercar teams and it is not an off the shelf product.

I have no doubt the product would be able to withstand temperatures of 365°F or higher, however I would not recommend using any XXW/30 in a XR6 Turbo that is driven hard. The reason being that any 30 grade, whether it is a mineral, PAO or ester, will become very thin at 150°C and as I said before it is possible to reach this oil temperature in the T.

you said I quote "It’s a API SH. The latest specification is SL and SM will be out in a couple of months, so it doesn’t meet the latest API SL specification or it has not been tested for it."

please read again doesn't it say "Exceed API SH/CF and CCMC G-4/PD-2 or

(*) G-5/PD-2 standards"

Note the word Exceed I believe this means better than

EXCEED

To extend beyond or outside of: The river exceeded its banks.

To be greater than; surpass: “a horror of the spirit that cannot be exceeded at the hour of birth or death” (Robert Louis Stevenson).

To go beyond the limits of: exceeded my allowance. See Synonyms at excel.

I have no doubt the product would be able to withstand temperatures of 365°F or higher, however I would not recommend using any XXW/30 in a XR6 Turbo that is driven hard.  The reason being that any 30 grade, whether it is a mineral, PAO or ester, will become very thin at 150°C and as I said before it is possible to reach this oil temperature in the T.

Now if the enginge drops power at these temperatures doesn't that mean we are stressing the engine. Nothing has been said about the ability to remove engine heat. If you intend on runnig you T at the brink of destruction for an extended period of time who cares what oil you use obvisously the engine wasn't designed to run at that temp hence the power cut to reduce thermal loading. The point is we shouldn't run the car at that temp for an extended period of time and not expect to do damage. Have you tested oils at this runnig temp to see a viscousity? The Motul oil has been tested to be stable at 150degrees nothing has been quoted that it won't withstand temperatures higher than what was tested and why would you run at car at that temp if you are constantly reducing performance. On another point has anyone seen one of the APS kit modded T's CNJ Motorsport build dead yet they run the same oil. Go figure I believe they pulled some large numbers on the dyno day.

PAO’s do have a low pour point as do most synthetics as they do not contain waxes that are present in mineral oils.  I not sure what you are getting at with this comment.  Most oils will swell rubber seals.  A 100% pure PAO will not.  However oils formulated on PAO’s will contain 10-20% ester.  The ester is used to give the oil the same seal swell properties of a mineral oil as well as helping disperse additives.

Didn't you say esters were bad and then you said PAO's have 10-20% ester added to it go figure? PAO's are known to shrink some seal material people are warned of this when changing.

HRT were using the chemical cocktail or (jungle juice) as those in the game call it. But have changed.

Esters ain’t esters.  There are a number of different ester, however I am not 100% sure which one Motul use.  WTF is a double ester?  Here is some good information on esters..

Your answer a double ester is a complex ester if you need more info I can get you into contact with an industrial chemist.

http://www.motul.com.au/fact_sheets/estel_oil.html

[SR-71 Blackbird]

Polyalphaolefins (PAOs)

They do exhibit excellent low-temperature properties, but don't they tend to shrink rubber seal material. Low temperature stabilitiy below 40 degrees isn't an issuse in most of australia.

It is also a double ester base with part complex ester part polmer ester not the standard ester varient you describe.

The list of companies who use motul Nismo official oil, Expensive Daewoo Racing team, Konica Racing team GTP cup and CNJ Motorsport. All of which I believe to be acomplish motorsport competitors and engine builders or am I wrong?

http://www.pdm-racing.com/products/motuloil.html

With the ability to withstand 365 degrees farenheiht or 185 degrees celcius I believe the oil to be adequate.

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/fluids.htm

The imformation you require for high temperature shear of motul 300v 5w40.

http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m1b14s113p1387

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16784

http://www.motorspot.com/300v.html

http://www.techcraft.co.uk/oilpage.html

PAO’s do have a low pour point as do most synthetics as they do not contain waxes that are present in mineral oils. I not sure what you are getting at with this comment. Most oils will swell rubber seals. A 100% pure PAO will not. However oils formulated on PAO’s will contain 10-20% ester. The ester is used to give the oil the same seal swell properties of a mineral oil as well as helping disperse additives.

Esters ain’t esters. There are a number of different ester, however I am not 100% sure which one Motul use. WTF is a double ester? Here is some good information on esters.

http://www.hatcocorporation.com/pages/about_esters.html

The following link to motul 300v 5w40 was interesting

http://home.att.net/~teaguesauto/fluids.htm

It gives a detailed explanation on High Temperature High Shear viscosity, but does not state a result for the product. All they say is that a 50 or 60 grade will give the best result. Very very strange.

This link confirms the API specification of the oil.

http://www.motorspot.com/300v.html

It’s a API SH. The latest specification is SL and SM will be out in a couple of months, so it doesn’t meet the latest API SL specification or it has not been tested for it.

I would be careful quoting who uses what oil. I know what engine oil is used in a number of leading supercar teams and it is not an off the shelf product.

I have no doubt the product would be able to withstand temperatures of 365°F or higher, however I would not recommend using any XXW/30 in a XR6 Turbo that is driven hard. The reason being that any 30 grade, whether it is a mineral, PAO or ester, will become very thin at 150°C and as I said before it is possible to reach this oil temperature in the T.

Enough said I only posted for the benifit of other forum members. Why does everthing have to be a sh*tfight the facts are there in black and white or black and blue this case.

[DallasQLD]

I think you have all got off the original thread. every one has their favourite oil. IMO most of you wonrt even own he car when the difference in the olis brand beocmes apparent.

Do you really think that Ford makes an engine that requires $200 oil to offer total protection?. As APS have said in the past these engines have wide tolerances and for that reason alone good quality oils to the correct spec available commercially will do the job.

To get the oil temp to 150 C you have really got to be giving it a hard time.

It appears that dealers have thier own preferences - mainly derived from a good commercial deal rather than what might really be the best.

I reckon that if Ford thought for one minute that the engine needed fully synthetic oil they would specify it.

Nowo stop giving each other a hiding over shear factors

[xrhp6]

Bring this subject up again to find out how U guys find the synthetic oil that is being used.

I am using BP Visco 5000 a 5w-40 Synthetic that came 2nd in a Head to Head Oil Test, details here

www.performanceoilnews.com/oils_against_oils.shtml

Cheers.

[Guest cul08r]

On my T, not a long term car for me, I am using whatever the dealer puts in it.

On my old rex I used Motul 300V from 100,000ks and had no engine issues up to the time I sold it at 230,000. I ran good power of 138kw ATW with minimal mods (Under 1k spent) up from 95 standard.

At $120 for 5 litres, it was an expensive oil change every 5-7k, but the stress of club competition and hillclimbing never worried it.

Re the REDLINE products, I know a lot of guys that run the shockproof oil in their gearboxes and they reckon that it's the ducks guts for getting rid of any harshness in gear selection and minor issues in the box, cos it sticks like the proverbial to a blanket.

Andrew

[voy74656]

The T's got her 15k service 2morrow....bright and early at 7:30am....I'm gunna be really wide awake then the guys use Mobil products apparantly....will have a bit of a chit chat with them and c how I go. They've been good to me so far...cant see any reason why to stop trusting them.

[bloan]

Has anyone just taken their car to the dealer & have the dealer replace the cars recommended oil with the synthetic oil the dealers use & recommend in the GT's?

[turkey101]

Just FYI,

On my last service, the docket stated "Super S 10W40". Upon asking, I got the same deal: "Well, the book says 15W40, but we use a special synthetic blend that we buy in bulk". So, no closer to a definite answer!

turkey101