Guest deanclaxton Guests Posted 14/02/03 02:26 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 02:26 AM I have an XR6T on order, and our company fleet division want to issue me a fuel card for regular unleaded fuel, as Ford state that the vehicle will run on it (and they are most likely looking for the cheapest way out).I am trying to collect evidence that the engine will not perform at it's advertised levels when run on regular unleaded. From my brief discussions with Ford Customer Care, I have learnt that the advertised output and performance figures are realised when running PULP, as this is the recommended fuel for maximum performance. This makes sense.What I would like to know is the figures when run on standard unleaded. Is there really a difference? Am I being stupid about the whole thing? Should I just run with the ULP fuel card?One other post in another thread mentions that there is not a noticeable difference - I wonder if this is still the case when the weather is hot and the ULP fuel batch is not the best (ECU is retarding the ignition due to knock)?Does anyone have an engineer contact within Ford that might be able to answer my questions/provide ammunition for my case with Fleet?Thanks in advanceDean Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
richdave SLOJAM, Gone but not forgotten Lifetime Members 1,841 Member For: 22y 6m 28d Gender: Male Location: Outer east - Melbourne Posted 14/02/03 03:42 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 03:42 AM deanclaxton said: What I would like to know is the figures when run on standard unleaded. Is there really a difference? Am I being stupid about the whole thing? Should I just run with the ULP fuel card? IMO, ULP will be fine, you probably won't even notice the difference. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Guests Posted 14/02/03 04:38 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 04:38 AM richdave how do u know,ulp is ok.I get my bus next week and was thinking of running it in on ulp as I wont be looking for max power then. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aniken I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it Donating Members 4,316 Member For: 22y 4m 19d Gender: Male Location: Sydney, south west Posted 14/02/03 04:51 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 04:51 AM deanclaxton said: I have an XR6T on order, and our company fleet division want to issue me a fuel card for regular unleaded fuel, as Ford state that the vehicle will run on it.I am trying to collect evidence that the engine will not perform at it's advertised levels when run on regular unleaded. In my so far limited experience with fleet companies, they would only issue a PULP fuel card if the vehicle must have PULP to operate (eg, the vectra of a couple of years ago would only take PULP - it even had a reminder on the fuel cap!). As Ford have clearly said the XR6T will run on either ULP or PULP, then I don't like your chances. :( As to not meeting the advertised level of performance, I would like to be a fly on the wall when you try and argue that you MUST get a PULP card because you will only be able to accelerate to 100km/h in 6.2 seconds rather than 6.1 My only suggestion would be to come to some sort of arrangement with them whereby you make up the difference in cost between an ULP and a PULP card. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deanclaxton Guests Posted 14/02/03 05:40 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 05:40 AM If the difference in performance is really that minimal, then I'm not worried. On the other hand, if the difference in performance allows an SS to get the upper hand, then I'll complain like hell Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mondie Firm Member Donating Members 2,924 Member For: 22y 6m 7d Location: Adelaide Hills Posted 14/02/03 05:52 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 05:52 AM We alternate Optimax and ULP and l still cant feel a difference. If l need to be on a drag strip or a dyno to measure it then its not worth worrying about.l wouldnt bother going through the trouble of trying to get them to allow you to run PULP, its not worth the frustration. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9830 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richdave SLOJAM, Gone but not forgotten Lifetime Members 1,841 Member For: 22y 6m 28d Gender: Male Location: Outer east - Melbourne Posted 14/02/03 06:41 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 06:41 AM vik351 said: richdave how do u know,ulp is ok.I get my bus next week and was thinking of running it in on ulp as I wont be looking for max power then.vik351, I am basing my opinion on the experience of others on this forum as well as my experience with other N/A cars. The difference in performance is IMO minimal. Lets face it, if ULP was a problem or had significant performance differences, then it would not be recommended in the Ford spec sheets without a disclaimer.Having said this, I will of course do the "taste" test for myself in a few weeks when I have put a few KM's on my turbo which I pick up on WEDNESDAY next week...WOOHOO :DBTW - IIRC, there was one forum member with a leased car that posted recently telling us all that his lease Co had recommended he use PULP. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cro Flower Power Lifetime Members 6,114 Member For: 22y 6m 28d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 14/02/03 08:13 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 08:13 AM richdave said: BTW - IIRC, there was one forum member with a leased car that posted recently telling us all that his lease Co had recommended he use PULP. My leasing company also said I "must" put in Optimax only (they are giving me a Shell card).With your work Dean... Sadly the Ford owner manual says 95RON PULP or more is recommended but the engine is calibrated to run on Unleaded.As some one said before, try come to an agreement where you can make up the difference yourself. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richdave SLOJAM, Gone but not forgotten Lifetime Members 1,841 Member For: 22y 6m 28d Gender: Male Location: Outer east - Melbourne Posted 14/02/03 08:29 AM Share Posted 14/02/03 08:29 AM Cro said: My leasing company also said I "must" put in Optimax only (they are giving me a Shell card). Cro, you are the guy I was thinking about. Optimax is 98RON PULP.FWIW heres the link to the Shell site.Shell Optimax Info Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-9841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
richdave SLOJAM, Gone but not forgotten Lifetime Members 1,841 Member For: 22y 6m 28d Gender: Male Location: Outer east - Melbourne Posted 07/03/03 03:26 AM Share Posted 07/03/03 03:26 AM Today I finally got round to ringing Leaseplan about PULP. I can use PULP if I want. I'll give it a try sometime. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/930-xr6t-fleet-want-to-issue-fuel-card-for-ulp/#findComment-12504 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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