Puffwagon Puff Gold Donating Members 16,138 Member For: 10y 22d Gender: Male Location: South Australia Posted 10/10/16 01:58 PM Share Posted 10/10/16 01:58 PM 3 hours ago, Dominus said: Im going to look at an 06 manual BF with 70k on the clock sometime this week. It has all the bolt ons installed and was tuned to 340+rwkw. First owner, and car has apparently just been garaged the past few years. The guy wants $22k - fair price? Imho it's not stock so the "collectable for financial reasons" aren't there and for that price a a bought stock then built xr6t would be much faster. There was a built 550rwkw xr6t going recently for $25k or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominus Member 57 Member For: 8y 4m 29d Posted 10/10/16 02:39 PM Author Share Posted 10/10/16 02:39 PM 1 hour ago, boegey said: Does it have a heavy duty clutch in it? If not allow another $2k for that It has an 11 inch Organic Clutch and Lightened Flywheel. 33 minutes ago, Puffwagon said: Imho it's not stock so the "collectable for financial reasons" aren't there and for that price a a bought stock then built xr6t would be much faster. There was a built 550rwkw xr6t going recently for $25k or so. I hear what you are saying, but Im not just after high kw figures. The Typhoons are pretty uncommon to see on the road, while XR6T's are spotted around every second corner. I guess Im willing to pay a premium for that. What would you offer the guy? I was thinking I'd test the waters at $19k. I've only been watching the market for a few months but the 20k mark seems to be fairly standard for a BF with low km? Full list of mods: Nizpro Intercooler - Custom Made Cross-over pipes - Custom 4 inch stainless steel turbo back exhaust - Nizpro Valve Springs - Walbro Intank Fuel Pump - High Flow Injectors - Turbo Exhaust Housing ported - 8 Psi actuator - 11inch Organic Clutch and Lightened Flywheel - Billet Short Shifter - Whiteline Swaybars, Front and Rear - JBT 6 Piston Front Callipers and 380mm Front rotors - Custom tuned by Elite Automotive producing 342 rwkw and 720nm of torque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Puff Gold Donating Members 16,138 Member For: 10y 22d Gender: Male Location: South Australia Posted 10/10/16 03:21 PM Share Posted 10/10/16 03:21 PM Fair enough then. Obviously you can produce cash to flash for this car which while practically irrelevant, plays to emotion, which is in your favour when it comes to negotiating. Here is just one of many websites on how to haggle. I picked it fairly indiscriminately. Mods on a car, especially a rare car, can be a double edged sword. They may actually lower a cars value due to previously mentioned reasons and can include accelerated wear and tear, legality/roadworthyness issues and the ability to insure the vehicle. Ask @k31th if it's a good idea to buy a modified car. Also check redbook. Of course this is an arbitrary comment but I'd start at 14k for haggling sake and see where I can go from there. I wouldn't go past 20k. I hope this helps despite it being just my opinion. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidxr6t skids Donating Members 2,754 Member For: 12y 1m 23d Gender: Not Telling Posted 11/10/16 12:13 AM Share Posted 11/10/16 12:13 AM (edited) 8 hours ago, Puffwagon said: They may actually lower a cars value due to previously mentioned reasons and can include accelerated wear and tear, legality/roadworthyness issues and the ability to insure the vehicle I agree with your opinion in the sense that my modified car that I bought cheap has needed a few grand in repairs (nothing major so far luckily) and definitely agree on the legality side. Also agree in terms of having a more 'collectible' vehicle that unmodified is the way to go! I guess my opinion is you can't generalize (something that I like to do sometimes) and a modified car isn't always worse than a stock one. In my case my car has new bushings practically all round from being thrashed. to the OP: make sure those KMs are legitimate, it is easy to swap a cluster in these things. Edited 11/10/16 12:14 AM by skidxr6t 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominus Member 57 Member For: 8y 4m 29d Posted 11/10/16 08:06 AM Author Share Posted 11/10/16 08:06 AM @Puffwagon Thanks for the link, great article. Yes, your opinion helps a lot, thank you. To be honest, Im neither 'here nor there' when it comes to purchasing a modified car. I understand the risks involved, and that modifications generally result in reduced resale value, or even ability to sell at all for that matter. On the other hand, I would want to do a few mods myself anyway, so it kinda makes sense to buy it with the work already done and save myself ~$5k. For what its worth, the guy had all the work done at a pretty reputable place in Brisbane, and I believe he still has the receipts for what was done. The fact that hes the first and only owner, and that the car only has 70k on the clock (if true mileage??) also tells me that no other backyard mechanic got his hands dirty fiddling with things, and that all should still be running well, even though its been 8 years since it had the work done. Regarding Redbook, I've noticed that Redbook value is a lot lower than what people are selling for - maybe because they are no longer made and different owners have different expectations..? @skidxr6t Good call. Any way of knowing for sure that the kms are legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Puff Gold Donating Members 16,138 Member For: 10y 22d Gender: Male Location: South Australia Posted 11/10/16 08:33 AM Share Posted 11/10/16 08:33 AM If you are going to mod it anyway then it makes sense to buy a modded car, providing it is in good nick. Would the owner be willing to take it to a mechanic get it checked out? You will be able to get a much better idea of general condition of the vehicle and also make certain that every nut and bolt hasn't stripped or rounded in some fashion by a backyard mechanic. I've had the misfortune to own a few cars and bikes like that. If it hasn't been thrashed and has been maintained then it won't matter that it has been turned up a bit. It's seems to be a common misconception that because a car makes huge power it will wear out in a linear fashion. General day to day driving is done sedately in the majority of cases and as such more power won't necessarily be detrimental to longevity to a significant degree. Remember to take into account the cost of potential repairs when making an offer. If you have to replace every single bush and suspension then you won't get much change, if any, from a few grand at most workshops. I did notice redbook suggests a slightly lower figure which is why I mentioned using it when negotiating. It can be a bitter pill to swallow when selling a modded car due to depreciation. A negotiation doesn't have to happen in one day. It can take place over a week so an owner can come to terms with this and is willing to sell at a price you are both happy with. You can check for disassembly marks around the dash or console area to determine if it has been apart at some stage. I try to be thorough when making large financial decisions hence the long post. If it's all legit then it seems like a good buy providing you are happy with the price. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominus Member 57 Member For: 8y 4m 29d Posted 11/10/16 08:57 AM Author Share Posted 11/10/16 08:57 AM Your advice has been really helpful Puffwagon, thanks again! I will definitely request to get the car checked out, just not sure if I should go to a performance place like Elite Automotive (where the mods were installed, although its an hours drive and not sure how the owner and myself will get time off together to go and get this done) or should I take it to Ford or just a local mechanic? I will definitely bring up the Redbook value, thanks. You make a very good point about selling a modified car, hopefully we can reach a suitable agreement if all is well. I reckon I will be happy if I can walk out with the car under $20k. I'll get a better gauge when I meet the guy though. Locked in for Friday at this point. Will report back on how it went. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Puffwagon Puff Gold Donating Members 16,138 Member For: 10y 22d Gender: Male Location: South Australia Posted 11/10/16 09:10 AM Share Posted 11/10/16 09:10 AM I'd suggest an independant review of the car to remove any bias. Keep us posted though! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dominus Member 57 Member For: 8y 4m 29d Posted 11/10/16 09:35 AM Author Share Posted 11/10/16 09:35 AM You are right, and yes I will be updating this thread as my journey to becoming the proud owner of an F6 commences! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidxr6t skids Donating Members 2,754 Member For: 12y 1m 23d Gender: Not Telling Posted 11/10/16 09:39 AM Share Posted 11/10/16 09:39 AM just check the logbooks, receipts, etc for any discrepencies. Look at how worn the steering wheel is, pedals, floor, seat etc. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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