BigMoscow Member 45 Member For: 8y 7m 4d Posted 30/05/16 07:55 AM Share Posted 30/05/16 07:55 AM Hello Ladies and Gentleman. This is my very first post but I have read google has steared me to countless posts on this forum. So long time reader first time writer. I own a 2010 FG FPV F6 sedan with 70000km. It is completely stock but I am hoping to gain wisdom here and change all that. The goal is a reliable and consistant 600rwhp (450rwkw) on 98ron fuel that can be used every day. E85 is still hard to come by in Perth. I have been told by a few mechanics that FG FPVs recieved much stronger internals to their xr6 turbo counterparts, can anyone confirm that? I have recently sold my modified R32 GTR and all of the proceeds are going to this new build. I should point out that I live in Perth and would like to keep the engine bay as close to stock as possible as to keep the eye of the law happy. The bolton hardware is relatively simple. 4inch s/steel exhaust Bolton turbo upgrade (gtx3582r) hypertune or processwest intercooler upgraded piping all around Bigger injectors external surgetank and 2xpumps valve springs good tuner (most likely extreme ford tuning) Where I start getting grey areas is when it comes to oil, cooling, drivetrain and engine it self. I see people making 600hp+ with less than what I have written up and I see people spending a fortune on engine rebuilds anbd not making anything close to that. I would imagen that drive train would need some attention. But how much. I would like to take it down that drags a handful of times a year but I am not interested on going with slicks or chasing records. Would I need bigger cams? In my gtr I changed cams to more lift and left duration the same and it was like 500cc was added to the engine, are these the same? Would the bottom end withstand that sort of power or am I dreaming? cause if this is going to grow into a rebuild, do I just call atomic for one of there engines? Any advice would be apreciated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hussydabomb Member 81 Member For: 10y 11d Posted 30/05/16 08:21 AM Share Posted 30/05/16 08:21 AM Im no expert but 450rwkw on 98 seems a bit high its been done though don't think it will last forever. Good luck with the build anyway ?? if another engine of mine ever goes then atomik is going to get a phone call. (I've had ba series 1 engines) haha They did get stronger rods and valve springs. Forged bottom end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k31th less WHY; more WOT Site Developer 29,093 Member For: 16y 8m 24d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 31/05/16 03:11 AM Share Posted 31/05/16 03:11 AM 19 hours ago, BigMoscow said: I have been told by a few mechanics that FG FPVs recieved much stronger internals to their xr6 turbo counterparts, can anyone confirm that? Yep, the FG F6's got slightly stronger engines than the FG XR6T. Quote The bolton hardware is relatively simple. that list of mods should be near maxing out a GTX3582R on 98 at 450rwkW but it is achievable. The amount of boost required on 98 to achieve this may not be friendly with your engine/gearbox. Quote engine bay as close to stock as possible FG's are definitely better for this. You can paint/coat all shiny parts and it looks factory at some stupidly big power levels Quote I would imagen that drive train would need some attention. But how much. I would like to take it down that drags a handful of times a year but I am not interested on going with slicks or chasing records. Tailshaft is necessary on FG's. You'll be pushing the ZF to it's limit on 450kW (if it's auto), if it's manual it should be OK but you'll need a decent clutch and probably oil pump gears. If ZF you may need component upgrades to be "safe". Quote Would I need bigger cams? In my gtr I changed cams to more lift and left duration the same and it was like 500cc was added to the engine, are these the same? No, you don't need cams in a barra unless you're looking at 1000kW even then, maybe not. Quote Would the bottom end withstand that sort of power or am I dreaming? cause if this is going to grow into a rebuild, do I just call atomic for one of there engines? Yeah, the stock bottom end will take it, but for how long?... how long is a piece of string Speak to your tuner about your requirements and they'll advise you on the engine requirements. oh, and pics are a must Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMoscow Member 45 Member For: 8y 7m 4d Posted 31/05/16 03:49 AM Author Share Posted 31/05/16 03:49 AM (edited) WOW cheers. The car is an Auto. I realise that all engines new and old are a lottery. I am not interested at going any higher then 600hp so I am glad to hear the turbo will handle it. There is a very nice GT that rolls around with 305s on the rear (guards look very nicely rolled out to fit the rubber). He is pushing 650-680hp at the wheels and says that his car is just that little bit too powerfull for the rear tyres. As for the ZF Upgrades, will I need to go for a full rebuild or are there certain components that are the weak link? (I am guessing the input shaft will be ther first thing I need changed). Ill upload some pics tonight. Currently its a stock viper coloured F6 sedan. Edited 31/05/16 03:53 AM by k31th posts merged. Try hitting "edit" if you're still within 10 minutes of posting your last post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k31th less WHY; more WOT Site Developer 29,093 Member For: 16y 8m 24d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 31/05/16 03:53 AM Share Posted 31/05/16 03:53 AM yep, billet input shaft should be all that's necessary for 450kW, imho. While it's apart, some extra clutches wouldn't hurt Wide tyres aren't the be-all and end-all of traction, actually. Sticky tyres do a better job of holding the power than wide tyres (in general) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMoscow Member 45 Member For: 8y 7m 4d Posted 31/05/16 05:47 AM Author Share Posted 31/05/16 05:47 AM Fare call. On the tyres. Well thank you guys. I honestly thought I might have missed something obvious but it seems that my goal for once was reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMoscow Member 45 Member For: 8y 7m 4d Posted 31/05/16 06:15 AM Author Share Posted 31/05/16 06:15 AM Are there any slightly bigger bolt on turbos other then the GTX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
k31th less WHY; more WOT Site Developer 29,093 Member For: 16y 8m 24d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 31/05/16 06:22 AM Share Posted 31/05/16 06:22 AM Anything that's T3 that uses your existing exhaust housing is technically "bolt on"... but that varies greatly. There's heaps of T3 turbo's available, all variable in how much you have to modify the car to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMoscow Member 45 Member For: 8y 7m 4d Posted 31/05/16 06:40 AM Author Share Posted 31/05/16 06:40 AM (edited) I am hoping to stay with the internal gated turbos to keep the noise down. External gates have a dead give away every time you let go of the gas pedal. Edited 31/05/16 06:40 AM by BigMoscow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidxr6t skids Donating Members 2,754 Member For: 12y 5d Gender: Not Telling Posted 31/05/16 06:55 AM Share Posted 31/05/16 06:55 AM awesome first post mate. Keen to see it work out well for you, you should take it along to a cruise sometime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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