PhilMeUp Member 1,045 Member For: 16y 7m 21d Gender: Male Location: Perth, Western Australia Posted 24/04/16 02:17 PM Author Share Posted 24/04/16 02:17 PM 16 hours ago, FiftyOne said: Any idea what Brembo did with the 6 piston option in terms of piston sizes phil? I figure if anyone would know, you'd be a pretty good start I didn't get a chance to measure them when I was messing around with some 6-piston calipers a while ago. ie I've still got the new BF ones here that will be going on my green Tornado once it's licenced. The problem is getting the pistons out to measure them. The mid-2000s Mercedes AMG and the recent Lexus IS-F both use the same brake pad - I use Hawk Performance ceramic pads. Part number is HB616Z.607. http://www.hawkperformance.com/performance-street/pads/hb616z607 There might be some useful info here somewhere: http://www.lpiracing.com/Brembo-Caliper-Guide-c9150.htm There's also some info on the Zeckhausen web site: https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=82 For replacement seals and dust boots, the Brembo stuff is expensive... even in the US. StopTech is an aftermarket manufacturer, and their stuff is much cheaper. Some info that I made a note of before I put the 6-piston calipers on my taxi: Front LH Caliper: LHF Ford or FPV part no: BAFT 2B119 A 20A00420, Casting no: 20.A001.01 1A On mine: White sticker on the side: 20A00410 White sticker on the bottom: 8026 2B119 AB Casting on caliper: 20.A001.01 1A Casting on mounting bracket: 20.A002.03 Front RH Caliper: RHF Ford or FPV part no: BAFT 2B118 A 20A00420, Casting no: 20.A001.02 1A On mine: White sticker on side: 20A00420 White sticker on bottom: 8026 2B118 AB Casting on caliper: 20.A001.02 1A Casting on mounting bracket: 20.A002.04 Looks like the 2008-2014 Lexus IS-F (ie same brake pad) uses 30/34/38mm pistons. https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=20_1620_1355_1356 However, it looks like the 2008-2011 AMG C63 uses 34/36/38mm pistons. https://www.zeckhausen.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=146_419_4131_4132 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiftyOne Bronze Donating Members 1,145 Member For: 11y 8m 8d Gender: Male Posted 24/04/16 11:55 PM Share Posted 24/04/16 11:55 PM Your encylopedic knowledge proves insightful yet again Phil. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalooga Silver Donating Members 261 Member For: 12y 5m 3d Gender: Male Location: Griffith NSW Posted 25/04/16 02:40 AM Share Posted 25/04/16 02:40 AM Excellent write up! I thought there'd be more complicated bits to calipers considering how much they cost. I need better brakes, because as a broke hoon with 300kw @ 2.4ton, breaking distance is a real concern & this should open up more options in finding a second hand kit, although ill probably go with a 6pot kit and make them green! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMeUp Member 1,045 Member For: 16y 7m 21d Gender: Male Location: Perth, Western Australia Posted 25/04/16 02:49 AM Author Share Posted 25/04/16 02:49 AM 6 minutes ago, bupalooga said: Excellent write up! I thought there'd be more complicated bits to calipers considering how much they cost. I need better brakes, because as a broke hoon with 300kw @ 2.4ton, breaking distance is a real concern & this should open up more options in finding a second hand kit, although ill probably go with a 6pot kit and make them green! The 6-piston calipers are much less common than the 4-piston ones, and are usually much more expensive to buy. If you can find a 6-piston pair of calipers for a good price then grab them immediately. If not, then find a 4-piston set and put them on. The general braking is better, but mainly it's braking where there's a lot of heat where the Brembos make a massive difference (ie higher speed stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalooga Silver Donating Members 261 Member For: 12y 5m 3d Gender: Male Location: Griffith NSW Posted 25/04/16 03:04 AM Share Posted 25/04/16 03:04 AM 5 minutes ago, PhilMeUp said: If you can find a 6-piston pair of calipers for a good price then grab them immediately. Yea Im just waiting and keeping an eye out, id rather go big the first time. They fit under factory 19's I assume? Theres a used 4caliper kit for $2500 on ebay atm. With the 6piston fronts do they use the same 4piston rears? and is there anything different in relation to Utes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboknapp Donating Members 783 Member For: 17y 11m 14d Gender: Male Location: perth w.a Posted 25/04/16 04:29 AM Share Posted 25/04/16 04:29 AM If they aren't FPV rims, they wont fit. $2500 bucks for used 4 pots, the seller has been hitting the glass bbq way to hard. You could get a set of new 6 pots for near to that price. They only release the 4 pot rears on the utes for a limit time, due to the braking forces, leaf spring back end on a ute and weight distribution they tended to axle skip and lock up. Hence they stopped offering them as a factory option on utes PBR big single is a beneficial upgrade for utes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMeUp Member 1,045 Member For: 16y 7m 21d Gender: Male Location: Perth, Western Australia Posted 25/04/16 04:32 AM Author Share Posted 25/04/16 04:32 AM 2 hours ago, bupalooga said: Yea Im just waiting and keeping an eye out, id rather go big the first time. They fit under factory 19's I assume? Theres a used 4caliper kit for $2500 on ebay atm. With the 6piston fronts do they use the same 4piston rears? and is there anything different in relation to Utes? Wheels: All FPV rims clear Brembos. The only Ford rim that clears is the BA XR8 18". None of the Ford 19" rims clear Brembo calipers. There's a bunch of discussion about wheels that clear Brembo calipers here: http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11310061 Rear calipers: The Brembo 4-piston calipers that have been used on Falcons & FPVs are all the same 4-piston caliper. For rear Brembo calipers, there used to be a problem with brake knock-off, where the pads got pushed back in by the axles moving around. I've had Brembo rear calipers on two different station wagon taxis. In 500,000km I haven't had a single problem. I pulled some rear Brembo calipers apart a while ago and found that Brembo is now putting springs in behind the pistons to keep them pushed out. It's the front brakes that do all the work. Sure, grab 4-piston rears if you can find them, but don't get too stressed about it. You can put on the PBR 328mm stuff easily enough. Brake pads: I use the Hawk Performance ceramic pads because they are the least dustiest. They're also the most expensive, but I've been buying mine out of the US when I buy other stuff (ie so that freight doesn't get too expensive). Project Mu pads are popular on here, and much cheaper than the Hawks. Call Matt at Race Brakes Sydney when it comes time to buy some pads. The standard Brembo pads are extremely dusty. 35 minutes ago, turboknapp said: If they aren't FPV rims, they wont fit. $2500 bucks for used 4 pots, the seller has been hitting the glass bbq way to hard. You could get a set of new 6 pots for near to that price. They only release the 4 pot rears on the utes for a limit time, due to the braking forces, leaf spring back end on a ute and weight distribution they tended to axle skip and lock up. Hence they stopped offering them as a factory option on utes PBR big single is a beneficial upgrade for utes. This. Check your rims before buying Brembo. Replacing the wheels is a pain in the arse, and one of the extra hassles and costs of going Brembo. $2500 would be a good deal for front and rear 4-piston Brembo calipers, but not for just fronts and PBR rears. This listing is better. They're FG brackets, but they'll still fit on a BA/BF. The front calipers haven't had the clear laquer burned off, which is common on the front 4-piston calipers. And it looks like there's a set of front DBA4000 T3 disc rotors there. That's a pretty good package deal. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Ford-Falcon-FG-Brembo-Brakes-FPV-XR6-Turbo-/141965487711?hash=item210dcd6e5f:g:FQMAAOSwiylXC4Dg I've had rear Brembos on a wagon (ie same back end as a ute) for a while without any problems. And they get used - the front ones look like sh*t these days (clear lacquer gone). I'm going to be putting 4-piston rears on a ute soon and will see how they go. If there's dramas then I'll have to drop back to a PBR 328mm setup. FPV had rear Brembo calipers as an option on the BA Tornado but not on the BF. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalooga Silver Donating Members 261 Member For: 12y 5m 3d Gender: Male Location: Griffith NSW Posted 25/04/16 05:53 AM Share Posted 25/04/16 05:53 AM Thanks Heaps Guys!!! Well it looks like 6pot wont fit so 4's it is. Mines an FG ute and even if I strip everything off, Its a heavy steel tray with under-tray boxes, drawer and extra gear so there's always more weight than stock over the back wheels. Rear imbalance shouldn't be as much of an issue. And id like a matching Brembo set especially since I have the fake plastic ones on my tub trailer. If they're Brembos from an FG then they would most likely have the newer spring system id say. Was going to go with with braided lines & slotted T3's and I will definitely give Matt a call when I get to that point. Another 1-2 months & ill be looking to buy. Again Thanks alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMeUp Member 1,045 Member For: 16y 7m 21d Gender: Male Location: Perth, Western Australia Posted 25/04/16 06:12 AM Author Share Posted 25/04/16 06:12 AM 11 minutes ago, bupalooga said: Well it looks like 6pot wont fit so 4's it is. The 4-piston and 6-piston calipers both require the same space behind the wheels. If a wheel clears the 4-piston caliper then it will also clear the 6-piston caliper. Post a photo of your wheels here and we'll be able to confirm whether or not they'll clear Brembo calipers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bupalooga Silver Donating Members 261 Member For: 12y 5m 3d Gender: Male Location: Griffith NSW Posted 25/04/16 07:49 AM Share Posted 25/04/16 07:49 AM 1 hour ago, PhilMeUp said: The 4-piston and 6-piston calipers both require the same space behind the wheels. Bugger. well that stuffs up my plans doesn't it. 19" FG turbo 50th Anniversary rims Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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