New Shelby Gt350 Mustang

[.Stripes.]

[RB Snake]

4cyl mustang? Why not just buy a Focus. If anyone wan'ts lightweight handling I'd image a mustang would be far from that list. A mustang needs a V8, and I don't even like V8s.

[discostig]

Horrible tease thread, hoping it would make its way here then shut down in a few posts. f*ckers.

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Mustang6G.com Q&A with Jamal Hameedi on the new Shelby GT350 Mustang

PRODUCTION:

Q: Do you expect it to be a limited production?

A: It will be about the same as a GT500.

Q: Will there be as many built as customers want?

A: …Up to a point.

WEIGHT:

Q: Is the GT350 lighter than the base GT?

A: Yea, we’re not really talking curb weight today, but there was a lot of light-weighting. Much of it went to offset all the mass that we added in terms of power, brakes, etc., but we also went beyond that too.

Q: So you’re optimistic that…

A: Yea, I’m not going to tell you. [laughs]

ENGINE:

Q: Is it dry sump?

A: It’s not dry sump.

Q: Is it direct injection?

A: No.

Q: Where do you get the extra 0.2 liter displacement

A: It’s all bore. It’s got plasma sprayed bore lining. Same lining coating as the 2013 GT500.

Q: Better breathing with flat planes?

A: It’s the rotational inertia that it reduces and also from an exhaust standpoint because you’re going side to side, you’re never disturbing the next cylinder’s firing.

Q: And mass reduction on the crank right?

A: Right.

Q: Where is the crank made?

A. It’s mostly in-house.

Q: You guys forge the crank and machine it yourselves?

A: Yea, there’s bits that are forged…

Q: This is a pretty big motor for a flat plane crank (big displacement). What have you done in terms of crankshaft damping?

A: There’s almost 30 things we did (outside the block) to compensate for it. It’s going to be a whole other story on how we did that.

Q: Challenges with emissions compliance with a flat plane crank?

A: It was harder than usual.

Q: Tell us about the variable loading exhaust valve?

A: It’s got an electric valve. So the valve, depending on what driver mode you’re in, the valve will either be open all the time (track mode) or it will open under certain conditions.

Q: Is it dependent on RPM or back pressure?

A: It’s electronically controlled so there’s algorithms in there that turn valve on in the right point in time.

Q: How much were you able to share with the 5.0L?

A: There are little common parts (I.e. things in the valve train), but it’s pretty much an all-new engine: new heads, new casting, new intake, new crank, new pistons, new rods, new halfshafts.

Q: There were rumors this engine was nicknamed Voodoo, is that the name it’s going by?

A: That was its nickname, yes.

Q: Any chance of seeing this engine in anything else?

A: Right now it’s just in this car. Which we’ve always done, just like the Trinity engine in the GT500. The GT500 was the only place you got the 5.8L.

Q: So it’s exclusive for now at least?

A: Yea.

Q: Is factory top speed software-limited?

A: No, it is drag-limited.

Q: How high does it go?

A: We’re not talking numbers today.

BENCHMARKS:

Q: What were your benchmarks for this car?

A: We had four cars that we bought. One was a 911 Carrera S — that was our main one. But we also bought a Ferrari California and that was mostly for NVH benchmarking. That’s the only flat plane crank front-engine car really out there. And then we bought a C7 corvette and also a Z28.

Q: Relative lap times compared to a Boss 302 around a race track?

A: Not really comparable. Way faster.. an order of magnitude faster.

SUSPENSION:

Q: What is the percentage of stiffness difference on the bushing between the GT350 and the standard GT?

A: Not that much. The bushings are different. The rate, the springs, the swaybars are different.

Q: Is the bushing changes primarily a handling thing or is it for NVH?

A: All for responsiveness and handling.

TRANSMISSION:

Q: Tell us a little about the transmission.

A: It’s a Tremec 3160 transmission that’s been modified fairly significantly to cope with the demands of the flat plane crank engine.

Q: What about the fly wheel and the clutch?

A: It’s got a low inertial dual mass flywheel and two 15-mm dual disc clutch.

WHEELS/BRAKES:

Q: Why black wheels?

A: Actually there’s a reason for that. The brake pads we use, they create so much dust and customers just hate it. You drive the car once with clean wheels and they are dirty after a short drive. So that’s why we got dark wheels.

Q: Why no carbon ceramic brakes?

A: I think you’ll find out later that affordability was a big part of this car.

Q: So keeping price down was a big part of that?

A: Yes. That was a priority with this car.

MISC:

Q: Is it meant to be a Boss 302 replacement or a GT500 replacement? Where is it positioned in the lineup?

A: It is its own beast. Just because the whole flat plane crank is so different than anything we’ve done and anything that’s out there.

Q: In terms of the body panels, how much does it share with the GT and how much of it is new?

A: From the A-pillar forward it’s all new. The whole rear diffuser is new. Rear quarter panels are the same.

Q: Will this be a platform for the GT500?

A: The car has got really good bones so…

Q: How much fun was it working on this?

A: It was awesome. I don’t want to stop.

[luke187]

Posted this on ford forums, but heres a video of it at nurburg. Can hear the one with the flat plane crank, what do you guys think? I thought it sounded like an old l20 datto engine on the last drive by.

[Rab]

From http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/los-angeles-auto-show-range-rover-with-a-gun-holder-new-toyota-mirai-sedan-fuelled-by-garbage/story-fnjwucvh-1227128948863

But Australians shouldn’t get too excited about this one; a still-secret supercharged Shelby Mustang is due Down Under in about two years.

Anyone know anything or heard anything about this?

[Pete A]

Let's look at the possible "performance" new car lineup to be available around the end next year to choose from:

Fiesta ST

Focus ST

Focus RS - loook certain to make a return.

Falcon XR8

Falcon XR6T

Mustang Eccoboost

Mustang GT

This is a fairly impressive lineup to suit a lot of budget spread. We are a little spoiled for choice maybe. When Falcon goes I have a sneaking suspicion there might be another one lurking around. Maybe based upon a 4 door larger chassis. Maybe a Fusion based to replace Falcon. Then again maybe those days are over when the last Falcon goes and a performance based SUV type might be the go. In which case they don't have to wait to release it. When Falcon goes, the choice will reduce considerably and it leaves a hole in the product line. This is why I think there will be something more coming and it would need to have 4 doors.

[arronm]

So what time did it do at nurburg. Looks soft and floaty

[luke187]

Didnt say, and yeah it does... you'd hope they have in-car adjustable dampers so you can put it into a sport mode. Do these even have IRS yet? I know the early 2000's cobras did. Heres a couple other videos, clearly trying different things as some have stronger more traditional cross plane sound, while some sound clearly like flat plane

Then again it could just be fiddling exhausts. This is a 318ti with an ls1 fitted with home-made 180 degree header I read up on a while ago. It offsets the pulses of the second bank to be inline with the first and gives it a 4cyl/cross plane sound. Bit like when they put equal length headers on a wrx and it sounds like a normal 4banger.

Edited 22/11/14 05:25 AM by luke187

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Has IRS and magna-ride adjustable suspension.