Tr6060 2Nd Gear Grind

[.Stripes.]

I appreciate that these boxes can be a bit notchy, especially the 1st to 2nd gear change, but has anyone with these boxes experienced 2nd gear grinding? It happened maybe once or twice in my FG XR6T and was me being lazy with the clutch, but it's happened in my GT much more frequently when I'm giving it a good boot full and shifting hard 1st to 2nd. It's not as a result of me being lazy with the clutch either, as I've made a conscious effort to make sure the clutch is pressed in fully...if it was in any further it'd be through the firewall.

It's been more pronounced since having a Rip Shifter fitted, but I'm told by the shop who installed the Rip shifter that it was setup correctly with the positive stops as if they weren't it would pop out of gear etc. I also had a mate drive my car to see if it was just me and same thing happened to him twice in a short drive, the car was nice and warm too so it's not just a symptom of being cold. Is this just normal for these gearboxes, or does it sound like there's something wrong? My turbo I could be mid drift at the top of first gear and slam 2nd hard without any issues or grinding, but I'm somewhat nervous about doing the same with the GT...which is disconcerting.

I've also noticed that with this car once I've let the clutch out after a gear change there's a tiny bit of play in the clutch, in that I can flick it out a tiny bit further than it releases on its own by lifting my toes up underneath the pedal. It also feels a little loose at which point and creaks a little, which I'd expect with an older model, but not a brand new car with 5,000kms on it. This is my first twin plate clutch, so is this normal? Or should it pop all the way out by itself and have no more movement at which point?

[Never had any say Panda]

Where's pazzo when you need him?

Didn't he have some similar problems with his manual?

[demon1300]

My box is the same. Have been told its completely normal by ford engineer. Tolerances vary from box to box, but I'd definitely be looking at changing the oil to something different or checking its capacity. It really disheartens me also, as its not spot on where I'd like it to be. I'll be experimenting with the above once I get the diff sorted and some E85 in the tank!

[Pazzo]

I'm here!!!!! Yeah mine and alot of people are in same boat... Have changed oil 3 times now and still same thing... Guy who works next door to me bought a fg Mk 2 T brandnew with 8ks on clock... Same FARKING thing..

Fird will say it's normal no matter what you say... Mine has been back 4 times now..when it's like 2deg in morning it's at its worst.. Once warm can still feel it grinding ever so lightly..

I take off and change into second ASAP or drop it from 1st to neutral then to second.., I don't boot my car anymore because of the problem..

This will be my last Ford ever after this due to Ford just brushing it off, they will just keep changing the oil and say.... Within tolerance!

Edited 21/09/14 08:36 PM by Pazzo

[.Stripes.]

Hmmm, thanks Pazzo...that's pretty poor on Ford's part really! Mine only ever does it if you're really botting, I.e. full throttle changing 1st to 2nd. I might give Mal Wood a buzz today and get his thoughts on it.

["Captain Retard"]

I think it comes down to the fact that Ford have quiet a big ratio gap between 1st and 2nd compared to other tremec users.

If you try and shift to fast then it doesn't give 2nd gear time to match the speed of 1st.

Having triple syncros might make shifting easier but it also means more time for them to all line up so the shifting ring will slide over the syncros and onto the gear.

Know this might sound obscene in this day and age but have you guys tried double clutching and heel toe to match revs.

It's hard and takes practice but its worth giving it a go.

Edited 22/09/14 03:02 AM by "Captain Retard"

[Never had any say Panda]

[f-wolf]

Posted 20 May 2014 - 08:52 AM

I have been using this stuff in all my cars for many years...

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[Lennox]

Double clutching on up shift?

["Captain Retard"]

Yep