T5 box (split topic)

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  hv8355 said:

Credit where credit is due.

As torque is proportional to power, there is no minimal torque to obtain a given power reading at a given rpm, only one level of torque will give that one level of power at that rpm. I understand that you have achieved excellent power levels with low levels of boost, and that is what is impressive.

No offence taken, I'm a Mech Engineer, dabbling in Automotive, hard to reveal which OEM as I'm sure you'd appreciate.  Yeah, a bit cheeky joining and then firing away on the one topic but I've visited regularly for months and HAD to get more involved in these interesting discussions.

I am also interested in what you consider sensible torque levels for this drivetrain. You can break or nurse anything but people are interested in your opinion on suitable components to use behind your kits, Ford have validated to a certain torque and released the T5Z, I'm not implying that aftermarket tuners would validate and/or release as per OEM's but some level of confidence is clearly in everyones best interest, that's why I am intrigued as to the engineer's report - how will he/she justify it ?.

Thanks for your reply, I am sure who you are now and of course respect your opinion. We are all entitled to an opinion and our opinion is based on practical in field testing of the T5 transmission.

If you really want to get to the GUTS of this issue, APS engineers have investigated the entire drive train issue and we have greater concerns about the strength of the CV joints than the T5 transmission.

I would appreciate if you would come clean and identify yourself and your business so that your views can be seen in a totally transparent manner.I find your views interesting and quite typical of an engineer from an OEM background.

Regards

Peter

[eatV8]

Peter,

Have I missed it or have you not mensioned what magazine this speed test will be in? I would think they wouldn't care if you mensioned you were going to be in the next issue, kind of like free advertisment for them... I'm hoping it is "Motor" as I'm now living in the USA and is the only mag I get. Oh and a little off topic... we're all waiting for releases of APS systems for the 2.5ltr USDM STi over here! :banghead: Great work!

Steve

Edited 04/02/04 06:32 AM by eatV8

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  aps said:

I would appreciate if you would come clean and identify yourself and your business so that your views can be seen in a totally transparent manner.

Regards

Peter

As we all would, we like to know who we are talking or listening to :banghead:

[Guest hv8355]

  aps said:

  hv8355 said:

Credit where credit is due.

As torque is proportional to power, there is no minimal torque to obtain a given power reading at a given rpm, only one level of torque will give that one level of power at that rpm. I understand that you have achieved excellent power levels with low levels of boost, and that is what is impressive.

No offence taken, I'm a Mech Engineer, dabbling in Automotive, hard to reveal which OEM as I'm sure you'd appreciate.  Yeah, a bit cheeky joining and then firing away on the one topic but I've visited regularly for months and HAD to get more involved in these interesting discussions.

I am also interested in what you consider sensible torque levels for this drivetrain. You can break or nurse anything but people are interested in your opinion on suitable components to use behind your kits, Ford have validated to a certain torque and released the T5Z, I'm not implying that aftermarket tuners would validate and/or release as per OEM's but some level of confidence is clearly in everyones best interest, that's why I am intrigued as to the engineer's report - how will he/she justify it ?.

Thanks for your reply, I am sure who you are now and of course respect your opinion. We are all entitled to an opinion and our opinion is based on practical in field testing of the T5 transmission.

If you really want to get to the GUTS of this issue, APS engineers have investigated the entire drive train issue and we have greater concerns about the strength of the CV joints than the T5 transmission.

I would appreciate if you would come clean and identify yourself and your business so that your views can be seen in a totally transparent manner.I find your views interesting and quite typical of an engineer from an OEM background.

Regards

Peter

If you know then that's ok, no need for me to say and expose myself to problems here with my Boss for a) lots of forum chat time and b) our own concerns with the drivetrain. It's irrelevant anyway, if my opinions are questioned, that's ok too - check them with someone you trust.

Without having satisfactorily answered your question re identity, I'm sure others are more interested in and have greater respect for, your views than mine. To this end, I am still interested in your response to the power vs minimal torque issue and appropriate torque for the current drivetrain issue.

Sincerely hoping everyone is getting something out of this, as it is very interesting, probably should have started a new drivetrain durability thread to avoid detracting in any way from what was a truely impressive feat in APS achieving 79/00 - mods ??

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  hv8355 said:

If you know then that's ok, no need for me to say and expose myself to problems here with my Boss for a) lots of forum chat time and b) our own concerns with the drivetrain. It's irrelevant anyway, if my opinions are questioned, that's ok too - check them with someone you trust.

Without having satisfactorily answered your question re identity, I'm sure others are more interested in and have greater respect for, your views than mine. To this end, I am still interested in your response to the power vs minimal torque issue and appropriate torque for the current drivetrain issue.

Sincerely hoping everyone is getting something out of this, as it is very interesting, probably should have started a new drivetrain durability thread to avoid detracting in any way from what was a truely impressive feat in APS achieving 79/00 - mods ??

Again thanks for your reply. As I know who you are I think its only professional for you to clarify who you are and the background of your buisness to everyone on the forum.

I have answered the question regarding torque levels in my last response to Brian 7 posts back on this thread, so please review that post.

I appreciate your supportive words on the ADR 79/00 results (we actually passed ADR79/01 as it happens) and its great to return to the original thread topic

Regards

Peter

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  aps said:

Brian, I find it astonishing that you have not pulled down the trans to inspect and diagnosed the failure. Who can say for sure that its not a simple manufacturing defect of a single component ?....

Peter

APS

This would be irrelevant. As the car has been modified, there will be no drivetrain warranty, even if the failure turns out to be a fault. Bottom line, the car is parked. Should we do a poll to see if it is more embarrasing to be stranded on the side of the road in an APS, Chiptorque or Nizpro upgraded car?

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  aps said:

..It seems to me that some are under the false impression that the APS car was part of the magazine's major road test, whilst this is partially correct the APS car was being tested for another feature article...

Peter

APS

I too was under the impression that the T had "beaten" the opposition, especially CSV, and the banter that followed about sticking it to Expensive Daewoo leads me to believe that many others had also thought that the T had won this "race". As by your own admission the car did not exactly partake in this event, and was not road legal at the time of testing, perhaps the write up in the magazine will reflect this?

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  aps said:

Its amazing though how some bag the T5, you would almost think that they had a vested interest in doing so ........I will say no more .......just read between the lines!!!

Peter

APS

Who has been bagging the T5?

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  WBT56 said:

  aps said:

Brian, I find it astonishing that you have not pulled down the trans to inspect and diagnosed the failure. Who can say for sure that its not a simple manufacturing defect of a single component ?....

Peter

APS

This would be irrelevant. As the car has been modified, there will be no drivetrain warranty, even if the failure turns out to be a fault. Bottom line, the car is parked. Should we do a poll to see if it is more embarrasing to be stranded on the side of the road in an APS, Chiptorque or Nizpro upgraded car?

No its not irrelevant in fact its totally RELEVANT.

This has nothing to do with factory warranty.

I am amazed that any person would have a gearbox problem and not strip and inspect the gearbox to identify the cause before making a decision to spend $8000 on a different trans.

I would dearly love to view a poll to see how many forum members have had a major problem with the T5 manual trans.

In any event I would not waste my hard earned dollars on a T56 trans when theres a much better option to be had for similar money.

Peter

APS

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  aps said:

No its not irrelevant in fact its totally RELEVANT.

Peter

APS

My point was that knowing what failed was not going to make it any less broken, or get it fixed for you. At some point, once you get above sensible torque levels, apparently, you have to just say this componant will not suit this application, and upgrade to a higher specification unit.