Aps Phase 6 1000hp?

[aaronmihe]

*nods* Thanks Brian... Yeah that's what I meant... street car, legal, all that and 1000hp? Not likely....

I've never said it won't be done, or can't be done I just think that a legal streeter is a bit far fetched...

A.

[turbotrana]

1000 hp at the wheels or at the crank. Someone will definately do 1000 at the crank. There are issues with the rod/stroke combo with this engine that can play havoc with power production but who 10 years ago would have said that we'd be driving 700fwhp turbo 6s on the street as daily drivers. Dont discount anything with the technology that is being created on a daily basis.

Just a note, that Venom XR post seems a bit "promotionally" suspicious.

[aps]

This thread doesn’t distinguish whether the intended target for the 1000HP is drag or street use. If it for drag use only, and APS are going to package kits for such a purpose, then OK.

If not, then this thread is fantasy.

I don’t know how many of you guys have played around with actually modifying turbo cars, but I’ll give you my opinion.

From what I know so far, if you want around 1000HP in the Ford , you’ll lose drivability big time, it will be totally impractical for the street, and really only a drag car. Assuming you make the power using the current rev limit, you end up with a power band of around 2000 revs if you’re lucky, which is stuff all. And driveline upgrade cost quite substantial.

100%, if you’re happy with that, then you can have it…. Horses for courses.

Currently you have rev limit of only 5800, and maybe this could be increased a bit with strengthened internals; it doesn’t have the luxury of 8000-10000 revs to play with that cars like Stis and GTRs have to play with.

The 1000HP is of course achievable, but I think a bit too much for regular street car use.

The current turbo, I understand, has a limit of around 650 HP. There is a big jump to 1000HP, and I expect will require a much larger turbo. I think the challenge is how to develop a car that has maximum drivability, and yet is very powerful.

For street use I want a very strong power band from around 2800 revs to 5800 revs, and yet still has good torque from around 1800 revs.

My current gut feel is that you could develop a good tough street car of around 750HP (or around 500rwkw), and still have a nice wide power band (by Ford standards). That’s still almost 3 times the original rwkw of the stock. I think even I’d be happy with that power level. Maybe that could be a Phase 6.

(So upgrade rwkw power scale as an indicator are Phase 2.. 260rwkw; Phase 3 ..330;Phase 4.. 380;Phase 5.. 440;Phase 6 …500)

So, 1000HP Phase 6 for street use as a package, I doubt it.

A 1000HP race package for the limited few could happen, but I’d call that Phase 10.

Lean and green and fully complied????

Brian

BRIAN, Most of what you said is on the money, I am not sure how the rumor started though it would be intersting to crack 1000 HP. As always development work starts months if not years before product is released and in some cases the product may not get the green light to go to production. We do enjoy a drag racing event so the engineering won't be a waste of effort, and there may be others who think the same way and can benefit from our experience. I think 750 HP out of the xr6t is very possible, in fact we are very close to that level now, and it should be very streetable, the more difficult aspect will be packaging a drivetrain to cope with the mountain of torque. Phase 6..... could be reality much sooner than we all believe.

Peter

APS

[bcl]

Thanks Peter, I'm glad you've clarified the issue.

My next upgrade will be to around this level (I.e 750HP). Drivetrain issues may be expensive, but I guess we are reaching new levels for a roadcar that behaves itself, and if reliable the Ford Turbo will be something to be reckoned with.

I hope there are not too many problems with the authorities, given the power levels that are being anticipated. I guess that you have a consider other ancillory issues like brakes, and whether it is a POA upgrade or packaged price. The last thing you want is to have a high power kit on a car with standard brakes.

Anyway, it does not surprise that you are around the 750HP level now (as are Nizpro), so I'm going to stay put for a while and watch with interest. Good luck and have fun.

Thanks again.

Brian

[100%]

100%, if you’re happy with that, then you can have it…. Horses for courses.

The 1000HP is of course achievable, but I think a bit too much for regular street car use.

So, 1000HP Phase 6 for street use as a package, I doubt it.

A 1000HP race package for the limited few could happen, but I’d call that Phase 10.

Lean and green and fully complied????

Brian

You read my post wrong I think. All I said was, don't even think practicality when talking 1000hp! perhaps I missed the post that claimed this car WOULD be streetable. There wasn't one. Everyone just started saying "Oh that won't be able to be driven on the street" when, if this project actually exists, it was probably never intended to be streetable!

Did anyone ask Ben Bray if his 2500hp VY ute was going to be street driven? Doubt it! People just need to look at the project with common sense and see what is trying to be achieved I think.

As I said, if this engine is built then the knowledge aquired from building it will only benefit us with the street kits.

There was never a claim that 1000hp WAS to be for street use!

[Ezy10z]

Thanks Peter, I'm glad you've clarified the issue.

My next upgrade will be to around this level (I.e 750HP). Drivetrain issues may be expensive, but I guess we are reaching new levels for a roadcar that behaves itself, and if reliable the Ford Turbo will be something to be reckoned with.

I hope there are not too many problems with the authorities, given the power levels that are being anticipated. I guess that you have a consider other ancillory issues like brakes, and whether it is a POA upgrade or packaged price. The last thing you want is to have a high power kit on a car with standard brakes.

Anyway, it does not surprise that you are around the 750HP level now (as are Nizpro), so I'm going to stay put for a while and watch with interest. Good luck and have fun.

Thanks again.

Brian

Nizpro were able to build a RB26 using an RB30 block to achieve 800hp using premium unleaded and to think the T motor is 4 litres and twin cam and with much more torque maybe 900hp ++ using premium unleaded and driveable on the street is realistic. It will be interesting to see the developments in the next 6 months or so.

[aps]

100% Your comments are spot on. There is always much that can be learnt from product development and I doubt that a 1000HP would be a practical street car though it would be a hoot for burn out comps, dyno shootouts and drag racing.

Peter

APR

[bcl]

Hey 100%

Maybe I did misread your post.

As I read it Mick (MS700) talked about my car, and that it is practical.

You then said:

F#%K practicality!!

You can't even think about using that word in the same sentence as 1000hp!

If you want practicality keep your T STOCK.

You can have practicality, and major mods, which is what Mick was alluding to, and what APS, Nizpro, RDP and ther other vendors are trying to achieve for us.

You did't seem to concerned about practicality.

And yes, I do agree that 1000HP is not practical, if only put in terms of street use. I didn't mean to offend.

Brian

[aps]

Thanks Peter, I'm glad you've clarified the issue.

My next upgrade will be to around this level (I.e 750HP).  Drivetrain issues may be expensive, but I guess we are reaching new levels for a roadcar that behaves itself, and if reliable the Ford Turbo will be something to be reckoned with.

I hope there are not too many problems with the authorities, given the power levels that are being anticipated. I guess that you have a consider other ancillory issues like brakes, and whether it is a POA upgrade or packaged price. The last thing you want is to have a high power kit on a car with standard brakes.

Anyway, it does not surprise that you are around the 750HP level now (as are Nizpro), so I'm going to stay put for a while and watch with interest. Good luck and have fun.

Thanks again.

Brian

Brian, No problem I was a little surprised at how this thread got started, some one let the cat out of the bag this was not meant to be in the public domain. For what its worth we are developing a monster brake system for the BA for those that want the go and whoa. Good luck with your car sounds like it will be a fun thing.

Peter

APS

[Cobra]

.... a 1000HP ..... would be a hoot for burn out comps, dyno shootouts and drag racing.

wouldn't making a bad little shopping runabout for SHMBO :lol: