Aps Phase 6 1000hp?

[OwnaXR6T]

I dont think it sounds like bs! but im sure this one wont be adr complient. if u were going to use this as a road car it would probably be worth while having a second engine without all the mods.

[aaronmihe]

There comes a point where it's a Pissing contest....

While there are many reputed 1000+ hp Skylines and Supras some of the most impressive feats of these 'racers' is in the printed glossy catalogs of the aftermarket parts makers. They do very little true track time.... Usually its a stripped 'mule' that does the impressive times, and often with less than the max claimed power onboard!

I mean think about it folks... how many people here creamed themselves when someone mentioned that HKS (I think) had shipped a Barra240 to Japan to develop parts? Yeah they'll make a 1000+hp motor.... with about 4 parts in common with the stuff that most of us can/would afford as stage 1 or even stage 2 tweaks. It's becuase people think they've made sh!thot Skylines and Supras therefore all their Barra240 stuff will be brilliant...

Hey if APS/Chiptorque/Powerchip/Herrod/DJR/Wallys Turbo tune etc get 1000hp then cool, real cool... But a 1000hp and the methods used to get there are vastly different to a stage 1 or stage 2 kit. Heck these haven't even been fully sorted yet.... We're in early days still!

I recall from my dim past that a motor (3L v6 Biturbo) we had in a car we were working on had about 350hp in one config... we then crated it and sent it o Melbourne.. It came back with the same rocker covers and block but putting out about 750hp.... everythign else was different, and there were even changes to plumbing for the oil feeds in block heads etc etc..... Mind you it went from needing Premium unleaded to running on 130 octance aviation fuel as well, and it pinged on that unless it was really fresh.....

It's nice to have a big number but how about practicality

A.

[2fast4u]

the "friend of a friend stage 6 " will eventually happen I'd be betting but it could well be a long time. though I'm no expert austalia's technians might take awhile to get to that figure with in a "streetable" sense. but it will help get a relatively new phenomon drift racing going "in australia" which is good. but you gotta a realise that these things would get beaten by a little 3 cyl every time if it wasn't on it's hair line power band.

[aaronmihe]

Stepping off the topic... Drift Racing, we can do without that crap here. Yes it takes skill... BUT who wants 17yo idiots driving to drift all the time on public roads? And ofcourse forgetting that it take bugger all power to drift in a specialised drift car... they run a whacky suspension setup to make the cars unstable at very low speeds and only need enough pwoer to make the lamo drift tyres break traction...

Back on topic... I have no doubt the Barra240 will break 1000hp in the hands of a few tuners... But streetable and 1000hp are a marriage that requires one of those to variables to be flexible...

I doubt a 9s drag skyline is streetable running that power... I think they may have a different version of streetable.

Ohhh and just becuase it has rego plates don't mean it's a street legal car. Use anything but 98run pump fuel and you're illegal, exceed C02, NOx etc you're illegal, exceed static vapour emissions test you're illegal, exposed air filter element you're illegal...BOV venting to atmosphere, illegal.. etc etc

I have no doubt it can be done... but I doubt it will be a daily driver with 1000hp... it will be a primadonna with the boost controller would down to maybe 500hp max and a bunch of bad habits....

A.

[ms700]

I doubt a 9s drag skyline is streetable running that power... I think they may have a different version of streetable.

I have no doubt it can be done... but I doubt it will be a daily driver with 1000hp... it will be a primadonna with the boost controller would down to maybe 500hp max and a bunch of bad habits....

BCL's car is running 334kw at the wheels right now, that equates to 443 hp at the wheels, and id happily let my mum drive it. This car is easy to drive, yet has unbelievable pull when asked. And it has no "bad habits".

Im sure with the way Brian (and everybody else) is going, his car will be making a lot more horsepower in the near future, and will be fully street driven.

Technology has changed. Gone are the days when you had angry V8's grumbling around on the street being absolute cops to drive. Turbo's and blowers have made cars extremely streetable, but having mind blowing torque when required.

[100%]

It's nice to have a big number but how about practicality

A.

F#%K practicality!!

You can't even think about using that word in the same sentence as 1000hp!

If you want practicality keep your T STOCK.

Bring on 1000hp! If they can do it, and I'm sure they can, it can only mean good things for all the kits further down the line as far as reliability and driveability are concerned through what they learn in building this beast!

[Adam]

F#%K practicality!!

You can't even think about using that word in the same sentence as 1000hp!

If you want practicality keep your T STOCK.

Bring on 1000hp! If they can do it, and I'm sure they can, it can only mean good things for all the kits further down the line as far as reliability and driveability are concerned through what they learn in building this beast!

Yeah!!!

I don't think at this stage a road going car is the demographic for this kit!

Edited 16/01/04 11:10 PM by alxr6t

[ktford]

I doubt a 9s drag skyline is streetable running that power...  I think they may have a different version of streetable.

I have no doubt it can be done... but I doubt it will be a daily driver with 1000hp...  it will be a primadonna with the boost controller would down to maybe 500hp max and a bunch of bad habits.... 

BCL's car is running 334kw at the wheels right now, that equates to 443 hp at the wheels, and id happily let my mum drive it. This car is easy to drive, yet has unbelievable pull when asked. And it has no "bad habits".

Im sure with the way Brian (and everybody else) is going, his car will be making a lot more horsepower in the near future, and will be fully street driven.

Technology has changed. Gone are the days when you had angry V8's grumbling around on the street being absolute cops to drive. Turbo's and blowers have made cars extremely streetable, but having mind blowing torque when required.

ms700,

your right in your statement about grumbly V8's. But didn't cars like Frank Piccalotto's supercharged XB GT give you a stretch in the pants to see & hear hey. Unfortunately I didn't make it to the Nats this year but yesterday my shirts arrived back & they're excellent, thanks K dog. Hope you enjoyed the nats!!

Scotty

[Ezy10z]

I recall from my dim past that a motor (3L v6 Biturbo) we had in a car we were working on had about 350hp in one config... we then crated it and sent it o Melbourne.. It came back with the same rocker covers and block but putting out about 750hp.... everythign else was different, and there were even changes to plumbing for the oil feeds in block heads etc etc..... Mind you it went from needing Premium unleaded to running on 130 octance aviation fuel as well, and it pinged on that unless it was really fresh.....

It's nice to have a big number but how about practicality

A.

Keir Wilsons GTR can do mid to low 9's and runs on premium unleaded. Their was a brief mention at the fullBOOST website during the results of a meet at Heathcote park. I believe at the time it was dynoed at 640hp@rear wheels.

[bcl]

This thread doesn’t distinguish whether the intended target for the 1000HP is drag or street use. If it for drag use only, and APS are going to package kits for such a purpose, then OK.

If not, then this thread is fantasy.

I don’t know how many of you guys have played around with actually modifying turbo cars, but I’ll give you my opinion.

From what I know so far, if you want around 1000HP in the Ford , you’ll lose drivability big time, it will be totally impractical for the street, and really only a drag car. Assuming you make the power using the current rev limit, you end up with a power band of around 2000 revs if you’re lucky, which is stuff all. And driveline upgrade cost quite substantial.

100%, if you’re happy with that, then you can have it…. Horses for courses.

Currently you have rev limit of only 5800, and maybe this could be increased a bit with strengthened internals; it doesn’t have the luxury of 8000-10000 revs to play with that cars like Stis and GTRs have to play with.

The 1000HP is of course achievable, but I think a bit too much for regular street car use.

The current turbo, I understand, has a limit of around 650 HP. There is a big jump to 1000HP, and I expect will require a much larger turbo. I think the challenge is how to develop a car that has maximum drivability, and yet is very powerful.

For street use I want a very strong power band from around 2800 revs to 5800 revs, and yet still has good torque from around 1800 revs.

My current gut feel is that you could develop a good tough street car of around 750HP (or around 500rwkw), and still have a nice wide power band (by Ford standards). That’s still almost 3 times the original rwkw of the stock. I think even I’d be happy with that power level. Maybe that could be a Phase 6.

(So upgrade rwkw power scale as an indicator are Phase 2.. 260rwkw; Phase 3 ..330;Phase 4.. 380;Phase 5.. 440;Phase 6 …500)

So, 1000HP Phase 6 for street use as a package, I doubt it.

A 1000HP race package for the limited few could happen, but I’d call that Phase 10.

Lean and green and fully complied????

Brian