Tune Plagerism

[Adam]

I think turbotrana's scenario is the perfect world. It could easily go to sh*t if the people taking the tunes and then making changes don't have a sound understanding of what they're doing.

[Mr_4.0]

I know someone who "steals" tunes from cars and edits them to suit customers. He considers it fair game. Only that he doesn't have a sound understanding of our cars. So changes he makes, he doesn't fully understand. He makes money from doing this. But people never return twice as he is "getting a name".

I have a tuner I use now (headsex) and have no plan to change to anyone else as I'm happy with the service and product. I also have no intention on letting anyone suck the tune out Of my car as I believe Danny has put a lot of hard work into building his tunes and I don't think I want someone else just getting that for nothing. If they want to pay headsex for the info, that's their call.

[Impellor]

My view on this is rather simplistic. If I pay for a custom tune on my car it's mine, to do whatever I like. If I haven't paid for it its not.

Cheers

[rednose]

  On 07/02/2013 at 3:06 PM, turbotrana said:

Tune plagerism (which is a good way of putting it) will only help the Industry as a whole. It will not hinder it. The tuner who is complaining about his stolen tunes is just looking at it from his standpoint. The more info out there about tuning the more people will mod their cars. So more engine rebuilds, more drivetrain mods, more suspension mods, more Fords sold.

We need to share knowledge, not try and keep everything secret.

Tell that to Nizpro so Jack can stay at Bluepower...!!!

[Never had any say Panda]

You pay microsoft to use Windows/Excel/Word etc.. You don't own the code behind them.. You only purchase a license to use it..

I see tunes as similar to that.. Intellectual Property..

[Impellor]

^^^^ That is very true, but you also agree to the terms and conditions before doing so.

Cheers

[Never had any say Panda]

Good point.. So I guess with tunes its more of an honour system..

Unfortunately, not everyone subscribes to that sort of belief.. So does that mean in the future Joe may require customers to sign an agreement prior to tuning their car?

I know from memory of mates with LS cars they got their first tunes done by Oztrack (remotely) and the second done by a workshop when installing cams etc.. Oztrack locks all his tunes so they can't be sucked out.. Then if you go to another tuner he will only send a stock unlocked file through..

I personally see nothing wrong with that (Aside from it being a slight pain in the arse)..

[Ralph Wiggum]

  On 07/02/2013 at 8:38 AM, JVK said:

Not 100% sure Ralph but I dont think you can Tunerlock with HP on the Ford system, With HP on GMs you can.

I originally thought the same thing John, but after talking to Bill from HPT recently he has stated they can be?

I don't realy want to try for fear of locking myself out of my own pcm!

[tab]

But it goes back to the original point that all this is done using cracked\plagerised tunes that Ford have spent millions to create in the first place.

That's their intellectual property, if you did the same to Microsoft I'm fairly certain the outcome might be a bit different.

[rednose]

I believe the reason we are making more power these days is due to the tuning side, tuners are more comfortable and have a better understanding of what works and what doesn't and this is due to a lot of time and effort on the tuners part.

Now someone comes along and sucks their tune out, adds a deg of timing here and there and the car makes more power, the new guy has now delivered what he has promised and the customer spreads the word.

It happens with all makes in the tuning world.