Tune Plagerism

[Adam]

Same thing as any other tuner. You buy a new motor.

[Headsex]

First of all.. The ford PCM cannot be locked. The bootloader which controls the security and uploading of code is not erasable, So you cannot change the security seed/key routine (Which is how it is done in the Expensive Daewoo world). Don't believe me? Bring me a apparent "tuner locked" ford pcm, and I'll show you its contents.

Second of all.. I disagree TOTALLY that a tune in a vehicle is a Tuners intellectual property.

If people read my tunes.. Good for them.. They've gained none of my intellectual property.

The intellectual property is in my head. Understanding the combination of modifications required to the many multiple tables to get the end result.

In the past, I've had various tuners read my tunes from my customers cars. where are they now? do they have the results I've got? NO

One particular instance is a customer took his vehicle to get a clutch changed. The workshop had read my tune with his sniper product, and to reclaim his sniper credit, he flashed it back in. Unlucky for him that sniper has a bug with certain BA PCM's, and was unable to write them at the time. THe owner had to bring in his XCAL 1 to recover the badly flashed pcm.

Now the ethics that he read my tune? I couldn't give a flying f*ck. He still continues to put 5-10degree's more timing in the border line table, and rely on knock sensors from stopping the engine pinging. People may understand now why this tuners particular vehicles used to ping.

He once said to me "The PCM never gives what I put in".. After reading his tunes myself, I now see why.. it was evident he did not have a clear understanding on how to control the ford pcm. in particular, calibrating the knock sensors.

In saying all this. I myself have read plenty of various tuners tunes over the time.. for the purpose of gaining intellectual property? LOL very f*cken unlikely! I tell you what I've gained... A better understanding of which tuners you should avoid because they have NO understanding of how the various tables interact with each other.. Especially when it comes to torque control and spark control.

I have seen ALOT of tunes where the Borderline spark table is copied to the MBT spark table. FYI, the MBT acts as a maximum spark table. But has torque control and knock control implications

Why? because they clearly have spark control problems. They are doing one of two things. Attempting to dumb down the pcm to be simplier to tune, like a motec/haltech, with only a single spark table.

Or two. They have rouge spark control issues in which they have not found the cause of a random ping. Usually contributed by a correction / multiplier elsewhere in the tune that they have overlooked.

I've done various one on one sessions with quite a large number of tuners Australia wide. I'm not sure if I should list them. But the feedback I've got is generally that they've learnt more on understanding the PCM with the information I've given them compared to their prior learning course/manual/internet/whatever.

So in summary.. Who cares if people read tunes? Every tuner here starts with the ford tunes.. Technically we're reading/stealing them!! I've spend alot of time looking at fords newer and newer tunes. At the end of the day, They are the true engineers and tuners behind these vehicles. Looking at the changes they do as the XR6/F6 has progressed over the years and trying to understand WHY they made the change, rather than attempt to craft the change into my own tune without understanding it is the goal to building your own knowledge in your head. That way you can apply this knowledge to your own tunes.

I tuned 3 Supercharged Coyote vehicles on Saturday. All 3 vehicles were 100% stock, but all 3 responded differently. one went from 322 to 388rwkw, another went frm 327 to 349rwkw, and another went from 351 to 402rwkw(manual)..Had I been a tuner who had read a tune out of one, and tried to apply to to the other 2, I would have failed majorly!

So at the end of the day, Copy and paste tuners get no where. Tuners who understand what they are doing will get the results.. Even if they do silly things in the tune which alot of workshops do!

Edited 12/02/13 12:10 AM by Headsex

[spine]

good info headsex

[JETURBO]

I think u need to sit the training course at intune as I believe u know nothing

Cheers

Danny intrested in contributing to a technical/tuning forum/thread ?

I will pay in shirt buttons !!

[Headsex]

I actually started a forum specifically for this purpose.. To share tuning knowledge. However due to lack of time, I have not put much effort into promoting it to tuners.

[JETURBO]

Link ?

[xr6t_ute]

Gospel has spoken lol

[Headsex]

Link ?

like I said. I have not put much effort into it due to lack of time.

[tab]

[The Outsider]

forgive me as I am a little late to this party.

I think that most people here kind of missed the original point.

here is a hypothetical situation:

you run a tuning workshop, you do lots of work with a customer who ends up becoming your friend, you both gain something out of this arrangement.

you have a car you can try new tuning techniques on, the customer gets mates rates and a very developed car/tune that they had a part in developing and learnt quiet a bit of tuning techniques along the way.

the customer then decides, hey this is not that hard to do, I can probably do this on my own.

takes everything they have learnt over the years and decides to shaft his mate and do so on the sly.

how would you feel if you are this tuner?

Edited 14/02/13 01:25 PM by The Outsider