F6310 Vs Gt335

[ilovebarra]

Exactly.. Running 376rwkw in the GT-E now... Cost me $152 for an air filter and $700 for a tune.. Cost me over $4000 in the F6 Typhoon to get 350rwkw.

Bang for buck, sc V8 is the way to go..

Awesome thread guys, but just to keep apples with apples Dozer, the FG F6 is lights years from a typhoon.

At the track I see some many GT335's have trouble cracking a 12, very inconsistent from the drivers, yet the F6, anyone can jump in, put it in performance mode, plant the foot and run mid-high 12's (stock). my first time ever down the qtr did 3 12.9's when it was only 1500km's old, then with 3000 I did 3 12.7's in a row, last time out on bald chinese Wanli tyres I still ran 12.9's and a new GT 335 was doing 13.5's all night

But still they all sh*t on HSV's offerings

[falconXR6T]

380rwk GT same as F6 with 300rwkw hahahaha

[slow6t]

This ain't a V8 vs. 6T title bout, I know V8s have more potential than sixes - otherwise they's be running 6Ts in Top Fuelers ffs. And there's no 6Ts in Formula One either - well not for many many decades anyway...

Eh... 2014 Spec engine 1.6 v6 turbo

http://www.formula1.com/news/interviews/2011/7/12241.html

[22470]

From what I can see I think it comes down to this.

Both the F6 and the GT have way more power in the real world than the claimed numbers, but in the GT the extra power is in the form of a transient overboost function which gives it around 375kW at the flywheel up to quite illegal speeds. As for the F6 it's probably around 335 - 340kW in the real world.

When it comes to torque, both are also well above the claimed amounts, but the F6 starts with a more doughy response and then hits like a sledge hammer (with probably a bit more torque than the GT for a short period) whereas the GT has instant response and very linear performance with almost the same torque (and hence push in the back) right to the cutout.

I think they both have similar torque at around the 5000 rpm point, but the F6 drops off soon after and the GT holds the similar torque level for longer, so if you can carry the same torque to higher revs your've got more power, but the driver doesn't feel it as an extra shove in the back.

To sum up perhaps you might say that the F6 feels stronger because it starts from a lower base and then it probably pulls a bit harder for a short period but it does run out of breath earlier.

However when it comes to a quarter mile run down the dragstrip and the F6 is torqued up with enough revs to get on boost from the start, it may be a touch faster than the GT initially, but the V8 gets a relatively brief advantage at the end of each gear which can add up to say around 6 kmh more speed at the end of the run and say 1 to 2 tenths in elapsed time. However they are both great cars as is also the basic standard FG Turbo.

They are better than many realise because they also have a transient overboost feature that Ford claimed was around 10%, but in the case of my own untuned and unmodified XR6 T Auto, it's around 19% and it apparently gives the car approximately 10% more power. The result is a car with practically identical performance to an F6.

I can comment on this because I've got a very accurate Racelogic GPS based Performance box (as used by motoring magazines and apparently at least one car manufacturer) and I've collected a lot of Auto FG F6 rolling acceleration data from magazine road tests. It seems that my car has a very slight advantage over the F6 to 5000rpm and falls slightly behind after around 5300 rpm (it is also a touch lighter than an F6).

I'm amazed at the torque it's got. To date it's managed a 4.90 second 0 - 100kmh time (5.58 to 110) locked in second gear at around sea level and a 4.56 sec to 100kmh time in drive (distance 71.67 metres). This was at high altitude with a 90 kg driver and a full fuel load, so it's not the cars full potential.. Admittedly high grip surfaces were involved but to put the times into perspective, I've seen tests where HSV's new 340 kW car got to 100 in around 4.9 (using 2 gears to my cars 1) and I believe they are claiming around 4.4 for their new 430kW supercharged cars.

I must admit that both the V8's and the F6 cars have an advantage over my car when it comes to mods because I've only got the small turbo, but it's certainly been a great "bang for buck" buy.

A pity for Ford I think that so few buyers realise how good all of the FG's are.

[timetaker]

Maybe people will realise just how good the turbo and supercharged FGs are when they're gone :(

[22470]

Yes and I'm thinking that their resale price could quite possibly be enhanced in the long term for that reason.

Also, I don't understand why Ford doesn't offer the cars with a high quality tyre option right across the range, prep a small section of their test track (only 20 to 30 metres would be needed as wheelspin shouldn't be a problem once into second gear) and invite some motoring journalists to come and try the cars with that option fitted. I think most journalists would be amazed to see how quick the cars can be and they should get some good publicity out of it.

Also Ford should make the overboost situation better known.The cars may only make the advertised power and torque figures over a prolonged engine test period, but in the real world they will overboost up to high speeds and are real rockets. Many buyers have no idea of this. They tend to compare claimed power and torque figures and let that influence their decisions.

[xhxrsix]

The F6 will make more down low/mid range torque.. but both seem to run from 12.2-12.7 stock.

A bloke on FF has run a 11.3 with a tune and cat back in a 380rwkw GT... Where are all the 300kw Low 11sec F6's??

They seem to get similar results but both go about it differently. I miss the mid range turbo power but love the instant response of the GT.

[LU82]

I thought you would be able to get an fg f6 to run a very low eleven with just a high flow cat and e85 tune (obviously injectors and fuel pump ) im sure there would have to be a few around.

[AzMahoony]

Ye

[FPV TRANNY]

How about FG GT V8 twin turbo..Would love to pioneer that one day.