F6310 Vs Gt335

[sexual harrassment panda]

The GS is the FPV to have if you want bang for your buck tuning mods, $$$/kw.

[Boganspeed]

Interesting thing TJS was that I was at the Kwinana Motorplex on the weekend and a young kid was competing in Super Sedan in ( I assume) his dad's ZF GS ute with race tyres on the back.

I asked him how he was doing and he said 12.7's. Then I asked what had been done to the car.

His dad said it only had a tune and was putting 370kw to the wheels.

Those two numbers didnt add up for me though as I know there are 6T's that are making less and are going quicker.

Could be that dad was bullsh*tting me, or got his RW and FW KW's confused.

[Benny]

The turbo 6's are lots of fun and a real torque monster but the difficulty in maintaining traction can be frustrating. I really enjoy the drivability and traction I've got with my GT, you can push it hard through corners without feeling like the boost is going to hit like a sledge hammer and put you in the bush.

12.7 with 370rwkw doesn't seem right. Maybe 270rwkw.

Benny.

Edited 22/03/13 09:12 AM by Benny

[SKOIE]

Tune only on a GS $1200 = 100+ RWKW

Try spending $1200 on a turbo & you wont see gains like that.

[The Outsider]

but that's kinda missing the point, no?

a tune only gs/gt is still not as quick as a lightly modded turbo with a lesser number on the dyno.

I mean if all you want to do is wank over a dyno number then its great but your no quicker than a turbo

Edited 22/03/13 02:00 PM by The Outsider

[ms700]

piks of.....

never mind

[SKOIE]

Now there's an interesting metric - additional kw/nm per $1000 spent!! We could compare cars AND tuning houses

This is what I was refering to...................

[TJS]

Like The Outsider said, those kW are just a dyno number. And there's little use for 400+rwkW if they all come in above 5500 rpm. We should be asking ouselves what the max torque is - & over what rev range does it deliver 90% of it. Power is great for top speed and drifting, but....

Power is (mathematically) torque multiplied by rpm, so of course you are going to get more of it as you rev it and spin the dyno faster. Torque is what accelerates me. Low rpm, sustained torque is what impresses me. Torque is why I got the F6E tuned and modded.

I also have a modded SS (that is now mum's taxi since I picked up the FPV). It made just over 290 at the wheels - more than a stock F6. More than mine stock anyway and by about 10kW. But compared to the 6, it feels like a Prius. Every time I drive it I can't believe how gutless it is and how high you have to rev it before it does anything special. Also can't believe I spent what I did on it when there were XR6Ts available at the time!

Since my tune, I have hardly taken the 6 past 5000. Just don't need to. It loves 2000-5000. Breaks 800Nm at 2500 & doesn't dip below that until just after 5000. It's soooo useable, soooo linear - but yeah, traction IS an issue - that's why I am curious as to what it could do with some really sticky rubber.

This ain't a V8 vs. 6T title bout, I know V8s have more potential than sixes - otherwise they's be running 6Ts in Top Fuelers ffs. And there's no 6Ts in Formula One either - well not for many many decades anyway...
The quickest thing I have ever been in was a V8 !! OK, so it had two turbos but that's my point I think. Turbos give you so much to muck around with at low rpm.

And back to my very first comment - the one I started this post about - I was very surprised, no disappointed at the GTP & GTE I drove with 25kW and 5Nm more on paper that it did not go near as well in traffic as the F6s I had driven. And it seems from all your replies there may be many good reasons for that, some of which are prob the way I drive lol. And they do both seem to pull very very similar 400 times stock.

Maybe the F6 is more of a circuit car. Maybe the G/T/P/E/S a strip car and faster at top end.

But do you know what's really great? That FPV have three very different cars with very different pros and cons suited to very different buyers all within a few $K of each other - and they're all better than the HSV offerings by a shipload !!!.

[Spinning]

We 've all been at that crossroad , at some point . Agree , the offerings by FPV make the decision from one car to the other very difficult .. Each car has a particular way of meeting a particular need - be it street recognition , noise , track speed, straight line speed, ability to move forward from factory spec to fully blown mod and so on and on .. At the end , we have had to make a decision - and have purchased one of FPV offerings - one model ahead of the other - why ?? - Only you will know and fully appreciate !! . My only advise - acquire what your heart tells you to purchase (there is no wrong decision - no bad decision ) - what feels right for you - what ticks most of the boxes and makes you happy .. I 've owned many cars - all have made me smile for one reason or another - but I must say - having moved back into the FG GT from a F6 (sworn after owning the F6 that I would never move back to the eight - however this S/C 5.0lt is very special ) the smile can't get any bigger !!!

[aussie_dozer]

The GS is the FPV to have if you want bang for your buck tuning mods, $$$/kw.

Exactly.. Running 376rwkw in the GT-E now... Cost me $152 for an air filter and $700 for a tune.. Cost me over $4000 in the F6 Typhoon to get 350rwkw.

Bang for buck, sc V8 is the way to go..