turbotrana Member 2,586 Member For: 22y 2m 2d Gender: Male Posted 05/12/12 11:48 AM Share Posted 05/12/12 11:48 AM Chris Gargula has got some stuff on youtube in regards to some testing. I am sure he has done something worthwhile but it might be better if he came on the forum to discuss it. If he can build a strong, higher efficiency converter that provides power/fuel economy/ET benefits then we are all interested. 1 Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1333939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEXXED Banned Banned 910 Member For: 12y 10m 12d Gender: Male Posted 05/12/12 11:49 AM Author Share Posted 05/12/12 11:49 AM On 05/12/2012 at 11:24 AM, Mr_4.0 said: Just a question... How many cars have you driven with different convertors? Who built those ones? What size housing etc?I have had a 9.5" 4200 TCE Nitrous converter in my VH sl/e with 207rwkw that ran 11.7's@115mph...1.6 60fts using no gas.I have had a local built stall converter(std diameter but stator etc modified) for a trimatic equipped supercharged TC Gemini with G200 conversion.I have had a 10" 2800 stall from dominator in my VX S Supercharged air to air cooled V6,had a manualised 4L60E in her.I have had a 10" 3000rpm stall in my last built BTR but had issues with converter.I am 30 now and started legally racing when I was 18,not a huge amount of time but enough to be at the stage where I am confident in my findings,tbh I know a little more than some give me credit for on here.Being un biased in car makes I have been priveledged to have tried quite a few worked combos over the years from a variety of makes.The exact thing I was told about this converter is that it is totally the opposite to a high stalls workings,the rest you will have to make up for yourself so to speak.my tuner also confirmed that this approach has not been taken by any aftermarket converters he knows of.I appreciate this kind of questioning more tbh,thankyou:) On 05/12/2012 at 11:48 AM, turbotrana said: I am sure he has done something worthwhile but it might be better if he came on the forum to discuss it. If he can build a strong, higher efficiency converter that provides power/fuel economy/ET benefits then we are all interested.I dare say he will but I am the meat you guys can chew on for now.He can't disclose the mods if that's what people want exactly but he can explain it a hell of allot better than me but the gains may sound the same as my first post as they are what they are.I can't see the characteristics changing at all so it's just reliability in the way for allot of people and totally understandable. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1333940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nxr06 Donating Members 117 Member For: 21y 1m 5d Posted 05/12/12 08:19 PM Share Posted 05/12/12 08:19 PM make sure u dyno before and after fitment, would be curious to see that..... Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1333986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEXXED Banned Banned 910 Member For: 12y 10m 12d Gender: Male Posted 06/12/12 02:38 AM Author Share Posted 06/12/12 02:38 AM As a matter of interest what would be the sealer for one of you guys to purchase one,what areas of feedback would you like to be reported,what is the bottom line/s for most.I am taking this testing quite seriously and have quite a few different areas being graded so to speak.Who out there has taken the factory stall converter deep into the 11s or 10s so that if you purchase this you can see the difference in the two on the track.It just seems allot go straight to a TCE/Dom when chasing a good time.Comparing it to a high stall isn't fair as is comparing the high stall to the custom std converter.If another converter can be reworked to have 2800rpm stall and still retain all the features I currently have in this test converter then it will be a good thing. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_4.0 Member 1,096 Member For: 14y 4m 13d Posted 06/12/12 03:12 AM Share Posted 06/12/12 03:12 AM So this convertor is still standard size housing?How much boost does this convertor let you build off the line?If you get one made as a 3000-3500rpm size, what features don't work as well ?Why no lock up?Does the oil heat up and break down any faster?How many km's have been put on one?How much power can they hold? Strength?Has he made any to suit any other make or model of cars before this one? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334108 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTEXXED Banned Banned 910 Member For: 12y 10m 12d Gender: Male Posted 06/12/12 04:43 AM Author Share Posted 06/12/12 04:43 AM (edited) On 06/12/2012 at 3:16 AM, Mr_4.0 said: How much boost does this convertor let you build off the line?I went and did a test and got 14psi no worries,it got there quicker than what 10psi would take with old std converter.If you get one made as a 3000-3500rpm size, what features don't work as well ?I will provide feedback on this when the new one is made bloke.Why no lock up?I would like to have Chris answer this question so I will get back to you on this.I do remember him saying deleting it adds a lightened flywheel effect,my engine does rev a little freely now.Having no lockup seems to have her always ready to go and at the same time less effort required to do so.I am liking the workings of the converter allot,not that a high stall imo is bad to live with day to day as its the exact opposite.people with them fitted will agree I think. Does the oil heat up and break down any faster?This I will be looking at quite closely as heat is the biggest killer of transmissions as we all know,the fluid does flow more freely through converter with his design.How many km's have been put on one?In the EL I believe at least 6 months.I have already used a tank in 3 days with allot of hard driving and will get over 500kms to the tank,this fassion of driving would normally net me less than 400kms.All people using 98 will get better gains than me also,I think this is what someone was eluding to.How much power can they hold? Strength?This is my biggest question I put forward to him,he stated it is stronger than factory and that's it,again another topic one can raise with him on the phone.like I said earlier the inner workings have not been disclosed to me sorry.I am going to give it my up most best to find a weak link,I have a power cruise type event in January so she will be told to pop a few sets of rubber,I have a feeling the only let down will be from the strength of my std BTR auto....just the 3rd gear clutches. Has he made any to suit any other make or model of cars before this one?Yes,he has successfully got the 4L60E 4 speeds converter down pat for quite some time.Converter is still the std size housing which means more oil is in the system so this can't be a bad thing,especially if it can get very close to a high stalls launch but with the other obvious gains.My only gripe is that my idle has raised a little. Edited 06/12/12 04:46 AM by GTEXXED Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotrana Member 2,586 Member For: 22y 2m 2d Gender: Male Posted 06/12/12 05:47 AM Share Posted 06/12/12 05:47 AM I am interested in this. Keep the info coming and get him to explain more of what is going on. This is one of the few times when I am not interested in the inner workings as even if I did know I would not be going there.But outline the benefits a bit better and maybe costs.I'd be looking at one that can handle 600-700rwhp and stall up to 2500 to 2800rpm but drive like a stocker minus the lock-up Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xr6t_ute Donating Members 2,281 Member For: 17y 11m 7d Gender: Male Location: south east suburbs Posted 06/12/12 06:33 AM Share Posted 06/12/12 06:33 AM I think maybe the guy that built the convertor should join up and enlighten us with a bit more information. 2 Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Never had any say Panda I <3 Floods Silver Donating Members 11,198 Member For: 13y 10m Gender: Male Location: South West QLD Posted 06/12/12 07:41 AM Share Posted 06/12/12 07:41 AM I'm assuming since GTEX had to sign a confidentiality agreement that the guy that made the converter might be waiting for patents or something on it.. Obviously it's behaving different to a normal converter so something must be different and/or completely new.So in truth we could be waiting a long time for answers.. However in the meantime I don't think anyone should be having a go at GTEX he's just reporting his thoughts on it because it's all he's allowed to do. 1 Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETURBO ...JD TUNING ADELAIDE... Gold Donating Members 23,708 Member For: 17y 1d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 06/12/12 09:45 AM Share Posted 06/12/12 09:45 AM So I heard alot more from the "mad scientist" as bruce reffers to him when I was up there today I got the very big impression its just a cut n shut stocker with different fin angles with the lock up removed... Nothing moreScotty said the bloke has a passion for converters ( good on him someone has to find this stuff out )The ford converter has been a pain to work out but aparently the Expensive Daewoo one is sorted, he used a vn Late model camira as the test pig and ran it up on the dyno in 1st 2nd and 3rd then came back with the " modified converter in and seen gains up to nearly 30rwkw per each gear pull.Look iam not gunna bitch or even pick something to death but it seems ( from what ive heard ) hes fone alot of R&D so far and looks promicing tbh because even if its not perfict for everyone maybe once hes got it the way hes happy with it may meet some peoples needs...From a converter id want obviously increased stall speed and reliability ........ Then a good lock up and if economy was thrown in why not!But gains of 50% better economy is huge and if this was the case he has the next toyota prius right there ( stands to make good $$$ )Will definately be good to see some results from karlos on the weekend Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/83101-new-btr-stall-converter-approachcustom-made-standard-converter/page/2/#findComment-1334240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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