Never had any say Panda I <3 Floods Silver Donating Members 11,198 Member For: 13y 3m 20d Gender: Male Location: South West QLD Posted 15/12/12 02:22 PM Share Posted 15/12/12 02:22 PM I'd say your a bit off here, most new to the market products are at a high price and come down in time. take flat screen tv's or Dyson vaccume cleaners for example.The product will stand on it's own feet, you have heard inderpendant valadation (Karl , Bruce) you need to add your names to the list of wrapped enthusiastic adrelinen pumped speed freaks. (happy customers)$1600 is a fare price , especally since it will save you money in fuel ...as well as boost performance.the only way you will realy know for your self is to try it out.CheersChris.Mate I respect what you're trying to achieve.. Can't imagine a small timer trying to break into the car parts game is easy.. However;Products like Dyson vacuums and big flat panel TV's may start expensive but they aren't released onto the market in R&D form.. They are released as finished products with very extensive R&D already done. So every comment from Snot, fluff and 4.0 is valid in regards to that. Through my job I've done a fair bit of R&D for myself and other companies, but when it concerns a product, I would not spend any clients money to test something new. I'll test something new no worries if they provide it free and sign a stack of legal documents saying they'll have to replace it and anything else effected if it stuffs up, usually we even pay the install cost (as we're paying the construction crew anyway) and invite the company along to supervise.. We just won't pay for the product.Also your $1600 converter is getting talked up a lot for its fuel savings.. Which based on what GTEXXED earlier posted, are just over 100kms extra a tank or about an extra 25% to a tank.. That's maybe a $20 advantage per tank.. Definitely not something to be sneezed at.. But on that rough maths we're looking at 80 tanks of fuel or about 40,000kms for this converter to pay itself off (not including install costs). Have any of these converters been tested that they are still operating at this same efficiency after a decent number of kms has been clocked?Mate if your stall proved good in the ZF market there'd be some big dollars there.. However with the ZF being such a can of worms you would need to meet someone half way if using their car as a guinea pig.. Just my thoughts.. Good luck with your venture though. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeddyXR6T Donating Members 320 Member For: 15y 8m 15d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 15/12/12 05:36 PM Share Posted 15/12/12 05:36 PM Yeah man I bought one of those eBay ones from RVO! 385rwkw and absolutely hammering it the box loveeeees it! Bang bang bang gear changes. Good price good quality good warranty He built the Jatco on my old VL turbo didn't have any dramas with that had no idea he even did the BTR's dave the fella's name was thought he was a Late model camira specialist still super happy that Bayswater built a box I can skate all day and night in 2nd an into 3rd and notsmash rear planetarys or destroy clutch packs and end up with a 2spd lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosij Donating Members 2,045 Member For: 13y 3m 11d Gender: Male Posted 16/12/12 12:16 AM Share Posted 16/12/12 12:16 AM Yeap that's him, he even gave me the data to adjust the tranny tune to suit line pressures and so on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTC Donating Members 17 Member For: 11y 11m 12d Gender: Male Posted 16/12/12 03:14 AM Share Posted 16/12/12 03:14 AM Hi All, How many major brands of cars do recalls over the years there designers design a new car it gets made tested a bit and goes into production, it's only then problems imerge if the numbers are high enough or it is a safety issue they legally have to do a recall, the list of them is long.then take for example common engineered problems , the main one I can think of for the BA series is the trans cooler splitting dumping coolant through the transmission!R&D,,,, My uncle use to work for Crysler when it was in Adelaide years ago, he worked in the testing division. any new parts that lasted to long in the tests, had to be remade weaker. this is common pratice by the big players of many things , even though it's off track,, look at Microsoft! how many problems existed with there products,(they still went to market with them) how many patches were/are put out there? so some of the coments are a bit wrong in my opinion.The fuel economy test I did in the stock EL was done over a full tank of fuel filled to the brim. I did in total 811km over the period of a week 400km in the city and the rest on a highway trip to use up the fuel, 811km total on 75.75lts = 9.35lt/per 100km (just to remind you this is with out a lockup clutch inside the converter)IMO the lock up clutch is the downfall of the converter it is main component to stuff up and cause a chain reaction of problems eg. exsessive heating /slippage especially under hard driving (the inate hydrodynamic workings of the converter is trying to turn against the lock up clutch), extra metal particules floating around the converter/ transmission system produced by the lockup clutch. Also another common problem under harsh treatment is the bush shim plate letting go. To try and give some reson for this I imagine it is that the lock up clutch has a moderately tensioned spring between it and the turbine that in doing so applies a constant force against the front cover / lockup clutch/turbine/ bush shim plate / white metal bush on the stator /bearing / and impeller. this would have to increase heating of the bush shim plate to the point of increased wear and ultimate failure.Why did the converter manufactures go to using the lock up clutch? As we know the torque converter use to have efficiency problems in the way of slippage especally in the top end. Due to there engineers being clutch and gear men the easy fix was to fit the lock up clutch. I bet that know one in Borgwarners organisation really understands the Hydrodynamic workings of there converters as they have not really changed since the 60'sit's the same basic design ! .16years ago I came across some infomation that changed the direction in my life. It was is to do with turbine dynamics and motion and the geometry behind everything. To build a turbine machine from scratch is a lot of work though I have done this in the past. 8-10 years ago I was messing around with joining two trimatic boxes together back to back to give overdrive gear ranges in a bedford van I had at the time. I managed to get it to work driving both transmissions from the one pump. the second transmission had a full lock shift kit valve body in it that allowed it to be put in any gear and be locked there. to have normal gear ratios from start I'd lock the second box into 3rd being 1:1 , the first transmission changed up and down as a normal automatic dose. if I wanted .8 overdrive gear ratios I'd lock it in second, for 2.5 x overdrive ratios I'd lock it in first. it did work but the drive shaft was so short and the geometry so severe it was it's failing. It was at this time I cut open my first torque converter and thought this would be a good thing to improve. so let it muster in my mind for some time. 5-6 years ago I started to spend a lot of time re designing the GMH torque converter and have had great results 10kw extra right through the rev range in 3rd + 10kmph extra, even 15kw extra in 2nd. another good design yealed 20kw extra + 20kmph in the top end and exceptional fuel economy (this is in the lexen bruce spoke of and he was sceptical as well) Then Bruce said he would like a Ford converter done so another journey started that took years to get an exceptional converter design. This is what I'm offering today years of R&D into torque converter design. it's time to get the best one's out there so you can enjoy the benefits.Do you rember the old days before torque converter lock up clutches when a transmission/ torque converter system would go for years and years with little or no mantanance,if it eventually started slipping a bit an oil /filter and band ajustment usually fixed it. it is what has given the auto transmission a good reputation.Not any more, there been made to break , make the components so thin they let go, non hardend splines that chew out, main shafts that break, so on and so on.It's not what I'm here for. I want to deliver a Very Strong Super performance device at a reasionable price.I'd like you to view my youtube chanell godspirals to get an understanding of where I'm comming fromThanks for your intrestChris. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Moar Powar Babeh Lifetime Members 19,323 Member For: 19y 1m 29d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 16/12/12 04:49 AM Share Posted 16/12/12 04:49 AM keep it on topic or suspensions will be handed out, if you want to bitch and moan about spchelling and gramer take it to www.websterdictionaries.com. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AirStrike Donating Members 387 Member For: 16y Gender: Male Posted 16/12/12 05:17 AM Share Posted 16/12/12 05:17 AM http://www.youtube.com/user/godspirals?feature=watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sexual harrassment panda I see a red door and I want to paint it black Donating Members 5,919 Member For: 15y 27d Gender: Male Location: Far north queensland Posted 16/12/12 05:29 AM Share Posted 16/12/12 05:29 AM Not here to have a dig, but.currently coming across as a bit of a (very cluey) backyarder, get a bit of engineering involved to back up your design theories and get a patent if you are serious.As for the borg warner etc guys not understanding fluid dynamics : fluid couplings, turbines, torque converters etc are big business, those guys know there sh!tyes I have a turbine ticket and have dove a fair bit work on them, but I am no expert either 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCTC Donating Members 17 Member For: 11y 11m 12d Gender: Male Posted 18/12/12 05:35 AM Share Posted 18/12/12 05:35 AM I can't fathom this ? did the brake go through the firewall ?Not here to have a dig, but.currently coming across as a bit of a (very cluey) backyarder, get a bit of engineering involved to back up your design theories and get a patent if you are serious.As for the borg warner etc guys not understanding fluid dynamics : fluid couplings, turbines, torque converters etc are big business, those guys know there sh!tyes I have a turbine ticket and have dove a fair bit work on them, but I am no expert eitherHow many Aussie icon companies have back yard beginings? 2 that come to mind are Victa lawnmowers and Hills hoists. everyone has to have humble beginnings..The reason I say what I did about the Borgwarner engineers is that the torque converter hasn't changed since it's beginings, the only major differance is the stator, origionally it was pressed metal and brazed construction, later to reduce production costs they went to cast Aluminium.As far as putting the lock up clutch in it, was the easy fix instead of spending years of R&D to work out what really makes it work.GMH have spent years of R&D on there converters there are at least 8 different ones, but I have also vastly improved one of them and with the knowlodge I lernt over the years of personal R&D into torque converters I reckon I can make any of them perform better that stock.The Secrectcy Act and Trade Secrects Acts and Copyright is what I will be using to launch this business, so please look them up and be aware of what this means.anyone who has ever signed an agreement with an employer regarding secretcy knows what it entails.I am considering putting up 2 more converters as testa's, anyone willing? apart of the deal is feedback, economy results, endorsments, and Decals on vehicles (advertising) AS well as being pact to an agreement as above.The latest higher stall model is even more fuel efficient, testing continues..Thanks for your postsChris.SCTC 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_4.0 Member 1,096 Member For: 13y 10m 2d Posted 18/12/12 06:43 AM Share Posted 18/12/12 06:43 AM Now your moving in the right direction. Giving convertors to trial is the right move. People may wish for YOU to also sign a contract in the event the converter dies and kills a box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETURBO ...JD TUNING ADELAIDE... Gold Donating Members 23,708 Member For: 16y 5m 21d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 18/12/12 07:02 AM Share Posted 18/12/12 07:02 AM This is one issue, if a converter dies it destroys a box at the same time What do u have in place if something like that happens ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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