MADF6 Member 399 Member For: 16y 11m 20d Posted 20/12/12 05:48 AM Share Posted 20/12/12 05:48 AM Yeah sorry bud if it seemed like I was having a go at you personally but its still a good example of the results other guys can expect from 3hrs. There is that many idiots out their swinging a machine polisher around calling a service a cut and polish and they ruin cars and give the process a bad name. I get calls every day from guys expecting a job to take a few hours because everyone else they have spoken to says it will. Others get scared and dont commit when a machine polisher is mentioned.By doing all the wash stuff yourself was a good idea as I know of places that wont even wash a car before polishing it because it saves time. Not wiping down inbetween stages is another time saving trick. If the polishes are using the same carrier agent and are similar in strength and worked completely by the user then it is Ok, but compounds are gritty and heavy and certainly would be different to a swirl remover. The powdery, gritty compound would have contaminated the swirl remover and would have actually been introduing fine scratching. The last step by hand is bizaar as it would have acheived nothing at all.I would also say that's the problem you have with Naviwax. By not having the polish fully removed from the paint with Alcohol (20% Isopropyl in water) it messes with everything you try and do afterwards. Most people think polish is applied to a car and left their to make it shine. that's not the case. Making it shiny is the result of polishing and deepening the gloss but it should be the paint that is glossy, Not the product on top. Old cars with older single stage paint finished used to have polishes applied and left however the term is still used today and the way products are labelled confuses things further. Polish is a pain to remove and takes time with the alcohol but will mean the finish is clean for the wax to be applied to. If its not the wax will streak and smear and generally be pain to use, as well as not last long becauses its not adhered properly to the dirty surface. Bare in mind that you may not be able to actually see the left over residue. If the polish is oil based which most are, once the white media is wiped away often the clear oils can be left behind soaked into the pours of the paint.Theres a lot to take in most of which so called pros out there wont acknowledge as it takes time, but you got it to a place that your happy with that's the main thing. How far are you from Wagga? Theres a detailer there that would be able to do rest for you and he is one of the best in the country.^ +1. I didn't want to say it because he seemed so happy. Hopefully, the splatter's not ruined all his plastics... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AussieCJ7 Member 67 Member For: 16y 5m 15d Posted 29/12/12 10:48 PM Share Posted 29/12/12 10:48 PM How far are you from Wagga? Theres a detailer there that would be able to do rest for you and he is one of the best in the country.This makes me smile my old man use to own Wagga car detailers about 25 years ago. At the time he was the only one that the top car dealers would send their cars to due to the attention to detail. Anyone can wash and quick polish a car but only a few can detail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADF6 Member 399 Member For: 16y 11m 20d Posted 29/12/12 11:11 PM Share Posted 29/12/12 11:11 PM that's pretty cool. I would love to know how they went about things 25 years ago.If he's after someone who's still in the game and in my opinion one of the best I can recommend Cam from Custom CareCare Wagga:http://www.customcarcarewagga.com.au/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HYPEDF6 Donating Members 301 Member For: 12y 1m 3d Gender: Male Posted 29/12/12 11:25 PM Share Posted 29/12/12 11:25 PM I will be doing a clay,compound,polish and seal today Will post back with pics tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red R6 Donating Members 41 Member For: 12y 1m 5d Posted 30/12/12 12:07 AM Share Posted 30/12/12 12:07 AM I just picked up the mothers 3 step wax thing, hoping to give it a try next weekend and see how it goes. Anyone else try it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HYPEDF6 Donating Members 301 Member For: 12y 1m 3d Gender: Male Posted 31/12/12 12:01 AM Share Posted 31/12/12 12:01 AM Started with 2 washes, Moved onto a full car clay bar, Wash again, Full car compound, 2 polishes and finished up with a seal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellato Donating Members 2,713 Member For: 14y 2m 24d Posted 31/12/12 12:26 AM Author Share Posted 31/12/12 12:26 AM Yeah sorry bud if it seemed like I was having a go at you personally but its still a good example of the results other guys can expect from 3hrs. There is that many idiots out their swinging a machine polisher around calling a service a cut and polish and they ruin cars and give the process a bad name. I get calls every day from guys expecting a job to take a few hours because everyone else they have spoken to says it will. Others get scared and dont commit when a machine polisher is mentioned.By doing all the wash stuff yourself was a good idea as I know of places that wont even wash a car before polishing it because it saves time. Not wiping down inbetween stages is another time saving trick. If the polishes are using the same carrier agent and are similar in strength and worked completely by the user then it is Ok, but compounds are gritty and heavy and certainly would be different to a swirl remover. The powdery, gritty compound would have contaminated the swirl remover and would have actually been introduing fine scratching. The last step by hand is bizaar as it would have acheived nothing at all.I would also say that's the problem you have with Naviwax. By not having the polish fully removed from the paint with Alcohol (20% Isopropyl in water) it messes with everything you try and do afterwards. Most people think polish is applied to a car and left their to make it shine. that's not the case. Making it shiny is the result of polishing and deepening the gloss but it should be the paint that is glossy, Not the product on top. Old cars with older single stage paint finished used to have polishes applied and left however the term is still used today and the way products are labelled confuses things further. Polish is a pain to remove and takes time with the alcohol but will mean the finish is clean for the wax to be applied to. If its not the wax will streak and smear and generally be pain to use, as well as not last long becauses its not adhered properly to the dirty surface. Bare in mind that you may not be able to actually see the left over residue. If the polish is oil based which most are, once the white media is wiped away often the clear oils can be left behind soaked into the pours of the paint.Theres a lot to take in most of which so called pros out there wont acknowledge as it takes time, but you got it to a place that your happy with that's the main thing. How far are you from Wagga? Theres a detailer there that would be able to do rest for you and he is one of the best in the country.Nah I didn't take offence, just wanted to clear up a few things.From what I've read and you've mentioned the person that did my car doesn't seem to be too in the know, she most likely just does it as part of her panel beating and that's about it, probably would get it done by an actual detailer in the future.I do still stand by the fact that for $150 the car is way better than it was but is far from perfect. However, given how many stone chips are over the whole car its not really worth me going too all out on a detail because the car will never be where I want it without a full respray unfortunately!I'm about 2 hours or so from Wagga so not too far! I saw a ss they were working on on facebook the other day that was coming up mint! Just sucks that between the two towns I live in (one being Canberra) it was impossible to find an actual detailer and that I'd have to travel to get a job done.^ +1. I didn't want to say it because he seemed so happy. Hopefully, the splatter's not ruined all his plastics...Still struggling to get the splatter off some of the plastics, especially just under the windscreen wipers!! Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancidpunx Brisbanes Resident Detailer Donating Members 950 Member For: 15y 11m 23d Gender: Male Location: In my Cabin Outside Brisbane. Posted 31/12/12 01:59 AM Share Posted 31/12/12 01:59 AM Still struggling to get the splatter off some of the plastics, especially just under the windscreen wipers!! Any suggestions?Cocktail sticks and Cotton Buds with a small amount of cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADF6 Member 399 Member For: 16y 11m 20d Posted 01/01/13 12:46 PM Share Posted 01/01/13 12:46 PM Still struggling to get the splatter off some of the plastics, especially just under the windscreen wipers!! Any suggestions? 2x - http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=281&category_id=10&manufacturer_id=10&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1'>http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=281&category_id=10&manufacturer_id=10&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 - http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=228&category_id=3&manufacturer_id=23&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1'>http://www.waxit.com.au/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=228&category_id=3&manufacturer_id=23&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADF6 Member 399 Member For: 16y 11m 20d Posted 01/01/13 12:54 PM Share Posted 01/01/13 12:54 PM Started with 2 washes, Moved onto a full car clay bar, Wash again, Full car compound, 2 polishes and finished up with a seal. Bionic on black looks nice. Good work. What do you mean full car compound and then 2 polishes? What did you use for: - pads and polish? - paint decontamination? Eg. IPA or other? - sealant? Are you planning to top the sealant with a wax? How did you go with splatter? ;p 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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