bossmang FREAKY Donating Members 12,423 Member For: 14y 10m 25d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 21/11/12 09:41 AM Share Posted 21/11/12 09:41 AM I posted the swissvax wash as an example as it states does not remove wax etc. it was only one I found quickly to show what I was talking about.when I say sealant/wax im saying sealant and or wax when im talking about that area...basically protectant (LSP). I know they are different in a lot of ways but end of the day do the same thing! I DO NOT recommend a filler or glaze as you mentioned above. its just a fake product. detail the car properly or dont bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie2256 Donating Members 7,441 Member For: 15y 11m 28d Gender: Male Location: SE Melbourne Posted 21/11/12 10:52 AM Share Posted 21/11/12 10:52 AM (edited) Battle of the detailers. Edited 21/11/12 10:52 AM by Paulie2256 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossmang FREAKY Donating Members 12,423 Member For: 14y 10m 25d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 21/11/12 11:11 AM Share Posted 21/11/12 11:11 AM im trying to keep it basic for the new guysno need to make it complex, just use the basic products and language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancidpunx Brisbanes Resident Detailer Donating Members 950 Member For: 15y 9m 30d Gender: Male Location: In my Cabin Outside Brisbane. Posted 21/11/12 11:14 AM Share Posted 21/11/12 11:14 AM Naviwax will need to be reapplied every 3 months. It wont last 6, 4 if your lucky. Easy to use though and 4 times a year is hardly going to be a killer. Genuine paste waxes break down generally in the first 3 months, all depends on what its designed for. Show car waxes are meant to look brilliant on the weekend whilst the car is on show but once its back in the garage it does not matter that it does not last long. Some $300+ tubs of wax can last longer but be prepared to get your wallet out.Liquid sealants (liquid "waxes" are not really a wax at all, and never beleive an advertised 100% carnuaba lol. Your not getting a a solid block of wax) last a lot longer as they are a sythetic formular and durability can be increased. Sealants should be lasting 6months with correct care and you can get over a year if your lucky. Sealants dont look as good as a wax. They still produce a wet look with lots of gloss but a wax will add depth and warmth to the paint, that deep glossy lustre.Glazes are a liquid product with fillers and oils to give a fake look. So the swirls can be filled a fair bit and the oils add a glossiness that is supposed to replicate a freshly polished surface. They have a place I suppose but be prepared to reapply sealants and waxes more often as the oils restrict how well they can bond with the paint.You can put a sealant on the paint and a wax on top, but you cant put a sealant on top of a wax as it wont bond. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADF6 Member 399 Member For: 16y 9m 27d Posted 22/11/12 11:10 PM Share Posted 22/11/12 11:10 PM I posted the swissvax wash as an example as it states does not remove wax etc. it was only one I found quickly to show what I was talking about.when I say sealant/wax im saying sealant and or wax when im talking about that area...basically protectant (LSP). I know they are different in a lot of ways but end of the day do the same thing!I DO NOT recommend a filler or glaze as you mentioned above. its just a fake product. detail the car properly or dont bother.LOL - Who are you to say "detail the car properly or not at all..."...? You just posted one of the most expensive car wash solutions known to man just because you googled that it doesn't remove wax, when most of what people would already be using achieves the same thing.I note your SHOUT that you do not recommend a glaze too and I don't know who you are to think that people would listen like you're saying its the final say. I'm NO ONE in the world of detailing but if people would like to listen to logic here you go:Practicality wise it is impossible to polish out every single swirl mark as they appear over time on most non-show car vehicles, which is where glaze 'can' come in. Freaks white paint is one of the easiest colours to maintain so maybe he doesn't notice, but on my black paint (one of the hardest) I do. "THE PROCESS" is typically to polish (paint correction) the vehicle and then down the track use a glaze in between doing the next polish. You wouldn't simply use a glaze from the start with not doing any paint correction at all. This is a common process used by detailing nuts the world over, mainly because if you were to do as Freak suggests and pull out your polisher every time you see a swirl (etc) you WILL prematurely wear through the clearcoat and penetrate the colour coat - especially if you're using a rotary and not a RO (random orbital). This is called burn-through which means you need a complete respray (yes its expensive) the panel or the entire vehicle. Detailing is all about minimising damage to the clearcoat regardless of whether its the elements or surface contaminants, OR yourself. The aim to to take as little clearcoat as possible to yield maximum results.I'm lucky though because mines a weekender (at most) so I typically polish and seal and then top with wax every 2 months. That's it for 2 years until I polish again. For some though a glaze very much has a place in their detailing cabinet.If you don't want to use a glaze then cool. All I'm saying is don't listen to this guy and breakout the polisher every time you see a swirl or marring. Just live with it until you're next 12/24 month polish comes up. DETAIL PROPERLY OR NOT AT ALL :sungum:im trying to keep it basic for the new guysno need to make it complex, just use the basic products and language.LOL - you recommended one of the most expensive products for car wash - hardly basic... Maybe you're underestimating the intelligence of some of your fellow forum members - just a little...? We are talking about paint correction here - eg. removing clearcoat from what is typically peoples second most expensive investment. It's SERIOUS STUFF... If you or they just want to jump in and trash their paint based on some guys need to post and not make it "complicated" then go right ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MADF6 Member 399 Member For: 16y 9m 27d Posted 24/11/12 07:08 AM Share Posted 24/11/12 07:08 AM I posted the swissvax wash as an example as it states does not remove wax etc. it was only one I found quickly to show what I was talking about.when I say sealant/wax im saying sealant and or wax when im talking about that area...basically protectant (LSP). I know they are different in a lot of ways but end of the day do the same thing! I DO NOT recommend a filler or glaze as you mentioned above. its just a fake product. detail the car properly or dont bother.While you MAY NOT (lol...) recommend it detailers the world over do, specially for people who want a show car shine without breaking out a polisher every time you see a swirl. If you don't want to use a glaze then that's ok but just live with the swirls until your next polish. Breaking out the polisher for every swirl will prematurely thin your clearcoat (eg. Burn through) which means a respray.As for being fake you wouldn't even notice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossmang FREAKY Donating Members 12,423 Member For: 14y 10m 25d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 24/11/12 07:25 AM Share Posted 24/11/12 07:25 AM Cool story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellato Donating Members 2,713 Member For: 14y 1m Posted 25/11/12 09:31 AM Author Share Posted 25/11/12 09:31 AM Naviwax will need to be reapplied every 3 months. It wont last 6, 4 if your lucky. Easy to use though and 4 times a year is hardly going to be a killer. Genuine paste waxes break down generally in the first 3 months, all depends on what its designed for. Show car waxes are meant to look brilliant on the weekend whilst the car is on show but once its back in the garage it does not matter that it does not last long. Some $300+ tubs of wax can last longer but be prepared to get your wallet out.Liquid sealants (liquid "waxes" are not really a wax at all, and never beleive an advertised 100% carnuaba lol. Your not getting a a solid block of wax) last a lot longer as they are a sythetic formular and durability can be increased. Sealants should be lasting 6months with correct care and you can get over a year if your lucky. Sealants dont look as good as a wax. They still produce a wet look with lots of gloss but a wax will add depth and warmth to the paint, that deep glossy lustre.Glazes are a liquid product with fillers and oils to give a fake look. So the swirls can be filled a fair bit and the oils add a glossiness that is supposed to replicate a freshly polished surface. They have a place I suppose but be prepared to reapply sealants and waxes more often as the oils restrict how well they can bond with the paint.You can put a sealant on the paint and a wax on top, but you cant put a sealant on top of a wax as it wont bond.Thanks, I guess I'll reapply the naviwax every 3 months. Hopefully getting the car cleaned up this weekend coming! Can't wait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L plate Donating Members 96 Member For: 13y 1m 7d Gender: Male Location: brisbane Posted 26/11/12 02:46 AM Share Posted 26/11/12 02:46 AM Thanks, I guess I'll reapply the naviwax every 3 months. Hopefully getting the car cleaned up this weekend coming! Can't waitBellato you wont regret using Naviwax , I had James detail my car a month ago and he applied 2 coats of wax to my car , I also bought a tin of wax of him and have applied 2 more coats .The shine and gloss just gets more vibrant and deeper the more you apply it looks like you have just gone a poured a tin of high gloss varnish over you whole car . The stuff is awsome and really well priced . I wont stop using it and will get james every 12 months to hit the car with a light buff and polish . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rancidpunx Brisbanes Resident Detailer Donating Members 950 Member For: 15y 9m 30d Gender: Male Location: In my Cabin Outside Brisbane. Posted 26/11/12 03:30 AM Share Posted 26/11/12 03:30 AM Thanks mate, I look forward to working with you again soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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