BRK Member 361 Member For: 12y 11m 17d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 05/11/12 12:05 AM Share Posted 05/11/12 12:05 AM That is a very neat looking product and someone has spent a fair bit of time thinking it through the design to manufacture stage. Good on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPM Motorsport Member 968 Member For: 19y 1m 8d Gender: Male Location: 2 Dunorlan Road Edwardstown S.A. 08 82999998 Posted 16/11/12 10:15 PM Author Share Posted 16/11/12 10:15 PM (edited) Streetfighter Twin Intank Pump Package outperforms external surge tanksAll Australian Made1000HP Intank Fuel ModuleComplete, direct, and easy fitComes with Highflow fuel pressure regulator and Wiring/Relay Patch loom.Guarantee Performance and Qualityhttp:// Edited 16/11/12 10:38 PM by KPM Motorsport Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XYZ Donating Members 1,171 Member For: 15y 2m 13d Posted 16/11/12 10:26 PM Share Posted 16/11/12 10:26 PM How do they out perform external surge tanks? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPM Motorsport Member 968 Member For: 19y 1m 8d Gender: Male Location: 2 Dunorlan Road Edwardstown S.A. 08 82999998 Posted 16/11/12 10:45 PM Author Share Posted 16/11/12 10:45 PM (edited) How do they out perform external surge tanks?1) More Fuel Flow2) Correct system pressures3) Swirl effect retained4) cooler fuel delivery5) lighter6) Alcohol and ethanol resistant materials7) Noise freeSmell free9) leak proof10) lower centre of gravity11) all wiring remains internal12) less currant draw / lighter wiring13) can run fuel down to absolute minimum with NO SURGE!14) completely safe and legal / no fire hazard potentialAll the items listed make for more power potential with less weight and risk of failure. This is especially important looking for every last advantage for extra power , reliabilty and vehicle set up. Edited 16/11/12 11:00 PM by KPM Motorsport 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qik1 Silver Donating Members 2,720 Member For: 16y 6m 20d Gender: Male Location: Loitering in SEQ Posted 17/11/12 01:01 AM Share Posted 17/11/12 01:01 AM It makes for a good combination when you combine all those things & the price is reasonable as well but its still only what around 500/550kw on e85 which is becoming easier & easier to achieve these days, is there something bigger in the pipeline for bigger applications? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XYZ Donating Members 1,171 Member For: 15y 2m 13d Posted 17/11/12 01:25 AM Share Posted 17/11/12 01:25 AM (edited) Hi KPMI think you have a great product and should sell well, however still a little confused with your statement above about why it performs better than an external surge.Questions to your answer above:1) more fuel flow compared to what? There are off shelf surge tanks that come with twin 044's and single 1000HP pumps2) true, but wouldn't the fuel rail reg control the pressure?3) what's the need for swirl effect if running external surge?4) how does it give cooler fuel delivery? With an external surge, the in tank pump would be hardly working at capacity there for reduced heat feeding to the surge.5) fair enough6) so are most external surge tanks.7) yes that is a benefitdon't hear too many people complaining about smell?9) as above10) ha ha, don't think that would make any difference with our heavy taxis11) ok12) not sure what the benefit of that is.13) same as external surge14) really? Haven't heard of too many fords bursting into flames with the current popular ford external surge tanks on the market... Not meaning to have a dig, however I think the only real benefit of your pump is the noise factor. Edited 17/11/12 01:26 AM by XYZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosij Donating Members 2,045 Member For: 13y 3m 20d Gender: Male Posted 17/11/12 02:01 AM Share Posted 17/11/12 02:01 AM Are external surge tanks a insurance issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPM Motorsport Member 968 Member For: 19y 1m 8d Gender: Male Location: 2 Dunorlan Road Edwardstown S.A. 08 82999998 Posted 19/11/12 12:02 AM Author Share Posted 19/11/12 12:02 AM (edited) Hi KPMI think you have a great product and should sell well, however still a little confused with your statement above about why it performs better than an external surge.Questions to your answer above:1) more fuel flow compared to what? There are off shelf surge tanks that come with twin 044's and single 1000HP pumps2) true, but wouldn't the fuel rail reg control the pressure?3) what's the need for swirl effect if running external surge?4) how does it give cooler fuel delivery? With an external surge, the in tank pump would be hardly working at capacity there for reduced heat feeding to the surge.5) fair enough6) so are most external surge tanks.7) yes that is a benefitdon't hear too many people complaining about smell?9) as above10) ha ha, don't think that would make any difference with our heavy taxis11) ok12) not sure what the benefit of that is.13) same as external surge14) really? Haven't heard of too many fords bursting into flames with the current popular ford external surge tanks on the market... Not meaning to have a dig, however I think the only real benefit of your pump is the noise factor.You are not having a go at all. All valid questions and happy to answer.Answers in red.1) more fuel flow compared to what? There are off shelf surge tanks that come with twin 044's and single 1000HP pumpsWe have tested the most common off the shelf pumps in deciding which pump to utilise in our modules. All our inhouse bench testing has proven that the claims on most pumps from manufacturesr do not meet real life flow rates.The closest we found to our requirements was the Bosch 044 . However price , size and nosie was not practical. 2) true, but wouldn't the fuel rail reg control the pressure?The standard fuel pressure regulator cannot correctly control the pressure on a system with extra flow. This is why we supply our High Flow pressure regulator as part of the package to maintain correct return flow and system pressures.3) what's the need for swirl effect if running external surge?The swirl effect will maintain un-earated fuel. Very important as the fuel teperatures increase.4) how does it give cooler fuel delivery? With an external surge, the in tank pump would be hardly working at capacity there for reduced heat feeding to the surge.With correct fuel pressures fuel pumps work at a set amperage. This maintains the pumps at well within engineering capacity, creating little heat.On the surge tank scenario heat is drawn from external heat sources eg engine and ambiant influences.With the intank set up, fuel is returned to the fuel tank directly, and cooled in the large mass of fuel. It is then pumped directly to the engine without having to be held in an external surge tank and pumps that are heated by exhaust and road temeratures.5) fair enough6) so are most external surge tanks.All the surge tanks I have seen on the market are made of untreated Aluminium. There may be others that I have not seen7) yes that is a benefitdon't hear too many people complaining about smell?We have experianced many leaking welds and fittings on surge tanks can cause fuel smeel and ingress into the cabin.9) as aboveAs above10) ha ha, don't think that would make any difference with our heavy taxisAgreed on every day enthusiast vehicles. However weight distribution is a serious consideration for many looking for every adavantage in motorsport. .11) ok12) not sure what the benefit of that is.Requires less bulkier and lighter wiring and electrical fittings causing neater fitmant and once again an advantage in motorsport applications.Also draining less currant causing less alternator draw therfore power draw from engine.Less currant also creates less heat in the fuel pumps. 13) same as external surgeExternal surge tanks utilise the internal fuel pumps to supply the fuel. They cannot run the fuel down to the same minimum level as our Streetfighter intank module.14) really? Haven't heard of too many fords bursting into flames with the current popular ford external surge tanks on the market... The quality of surge tanks of our Aussie made surge tanks on the market are very good. However the possibilty of leakage and positioning would not be deemed safe or legal anywhere in Australia by authorities or most insurance companies. Edited 19/11/12 12:10 AM by KPM Motorsport 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JETURBO ...JD TUNING ADELAIDE... Gold Donating Members 23,708 Member For: 16y 5m 30d Gender: Male Location: Adelaide Posted 19/11/12 03:31 AM Share Posted 19/11/12 03:31 AM Good reply dave a great product ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPM Motorsport Member 968 Member For: 19y 1m 8d Gender: Male Location: 2 Dunorlan Road Edwardstown S.A. 08 82999998 Posted 19/11/12 10:09 PM Author Share Posted 19/11/12 10:09 PM It makes for a good combination when you combine all those things & the price is reasonable as well but its still only what around 500/550kw on e85 which is becoming easier & easier to achieve these days, is there something bigger in the pipeline for bigger applications?The pumps used can be changed for future upgrades to higher power levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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