Panda Eyes flame magnet Gold Donating Members 5,674 Member For: 16y 9m 20d Gender: Male Location: adelaide hills- 'race air' central Posted 28/06/12 11:08 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:08 PM so we all agree.... spoony missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulie2256 Donating Members 7,441 Member For: 16y 3m 14d Gender: Male Location: SE Melbourne Posted 28/06/12 11:13 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:13 PM I agree I think someone has tried it with a turbo terry. Didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Eyes flame magnet Gold Donating Members 5,674 Member For: 16y 9m 20d Gender: Male Location: adelaide hills- 'race air' central Posted 28/06/12 11:15 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:15 PM gas is for saving money. not going fast...sure it can be done, but why bother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Member 250 Member For: 14y 4m 25d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 28/06/12 11:20 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:20 PM (edited) The answer is in your comment! Saving money and going fast? Maybe you're on 200+k a year or something and don't care, but most people do things to save money where they can in life. For people that drive alot and want to go quicker than an average diesel then LPG is the answer.Re 'missing the point', because you have first hand experience in these setups? Why do people offer up information based only on option. "get rid of the gas" why? because to your knowledge it doesn't work, but that doesn't mean in real life it doesn't.I can't manage to find the Zoom article either but do remember reading it at the time. It's referenced both on this forum and other however:http://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/77859-lpg/page__hl__lpg#entry1161782http://www.fordmods.com/ford-turbo-supercharger-f22/2005-xr6-turbo-with-injected-lpg-t43227-15.html Edited 28/06/12 11:30 PM by Spoony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 9m 9d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 28/06/12 11:22 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:22 PM To be honest, if the car is set up correctly and tuned accordingly, there should be no drama with the switch over, afr's should remain constant and spark would need to be set for petrol, but having an system like spoony has, that stays on lpg the entire time allows for performance gains to be made because of the added spark that lpg will handle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 9m 9d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 28/06/12 11:25 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:25 PM gas is for saving money. not going fast...sure it can be done, but why bother?there is more power to be had for the same engine on the same boost when running and tuned for lpg compared to 98, yes there is added cost in the intial set up, but day to day running cost are cheaper, savings obviously depend on how many klms your car does though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicxr6t05 Bronze Donating Members 2,216 Member For: 13y 7m 9d Gender: Male Posted 28/06/12 11:29 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:29 PM From my experience its like an auto gear change under full load the timing goes haywire for a split second but then again I havent had much experience with the jtg kits? And I am also monitoring factory tunes/ bolt on vapour injection systems on factory cars, this can be tuned out hay ratter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda Eyes flame magnet Gold Donating Members 5,674 Member For: 16y 9m 20d Gender: Male Location: adelaide hills- 'race air' central Posted 28/06/12 11:34 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:34 PM (edited) true ratter, but that's what e85 is for. when you can easily make 350+ with the petrol products readily available, then why spend 4k on a gas setup?as stated. it can be done, and some do things for the challenge, and sure, why not? but normally people think gas to save money, not to get better performance.I dont think gas is suited to high power boosted applications...but true, that is only my opinion. Edited 28/06/12 11:35 PM by Panda Eyes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoony Member 250 Member For: 14y 4m 25d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 28/06/12 11:45 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:45 PM E85 allows for more power, yes. And in the same way E85 allows for more power, so does LPG! Higher Octane. They both have a lower energy density so you need to use a bit more to travel the same distance. The main difference is E85 is very much a niche fuel, fine if you are using locally as a toy, not for general travel, availability is extremely limited. Cost is also higher than LPG so savings wise it's less too. LPG is available most places, is cheaper and offers more power potential if supply is there. Why spend 4k on E85 and mods and not LPG and mods? The LPG system will pay for it self, took me only 14months to pay of the JTG system, now I drive down the highway, cruise past some poor sap having to do an Brisbane to Sydney trip in a small 4cyl and chuckle during the overtake that it's costing him/her more with 1/4 of the power in a cramped uncomfortable buzzer.I'd could say that's all just 'opinion', but sorry, it's fact.Exibit A: LPG vs Petrol. Notice the torque and power across the entire rev range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bionicxr6t05 Bronze Donating Members 2,216 Member For: 13y 7m 9d Gender: Male Posted 28/06/12 11:56 PM Share Posted 28/06/12 11:56 PM (edited) The only thing im arguing is my original comment which remins correct as the principal is the same no matter what setup you use, when I was in melbourne for the launch of the lpi falcon I asked one f the engineers if they had played with turbo charging the lpi engine and all he said was, its not sustainable for warranty reasons... Wouldnt elaborate any more but that in itself says somethingAnd this thread has been hi jacked enough so il leave it at that cheers Edited 28/06/12 11:57 PM by bionicxr6t05 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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