Should We Become A Club?

[sixfan]

is it me are what ???? 

there is a lot of negativity but the voting is very much positive 

someone please explain to us (me) who are just simple minded why is it that the case for the "NO" seems more vocal ?? 

I think it's because the majority of the people who voted yes, did so then left to other threads, or perhaps the people who voted yes saw the numbers and don't feel the need to justify thier position. Fair enough. The majority of the people who voted no, as far as I can see, love the site the way it is and don't want it to change. Fear? yep.

[CJF077]

After-all the same people with the same ideals and ideas would be involved - really it's just you, me and a few (thousand?) others.

EXACTLY!!! Except we're not all the same, or going by this thread, do we have the same ideals.

Do you know how many different opinions that makes with say 2000 members? About 10,000!!! Coz as a member of a club I have a say in the way it's run, so what if 1000 have one opinion and 1000 the opposite? Or worse 200 each with 10 different ideas! Disaster that's what. How do meetings get arranged? We have potential committee members from Perth to NZ, and further! That's a big trip for a monthly committee meeting.

Chris should run the forum as a business and do what has to be done to cover himself against liability claims and make it if not profitable at least self sufficient.

I think it is more to it then just covering against liability, its about where to from here..

- Do we want to go to events together?

- Go on more drive days, track days?

- Display our cars at car shows?

- Do you want a voice in how it is run? or you dont care?

- Do you want to be safe on cruises?

- Do you want to go on events knowing you are covered in case of an accident?

Meetings can be arranged either online, or via telephone, in this day and age, it is done.. Do you realise that EVERY member on this site does not live near each other? Yet appear to be extremely close and "family" like through this technological communication method we call the internet, and in particular this forum.

I was just wondering?

Are australians so ingnorant and punitive that they would sue a Webmaster of Digital Information if some mental defect cause an accident during a drive organised on the site of aformentioned webmaster?

Are we really that pathetic?

Yes it does happen, and having worked in a law firm for many years, I have seen it time and time again..

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I really think alot of these concerns, members have these due to fear of the unknown, we are scared that things will change from what they are now, and I completely understand that.

Change can be scary, I know that my job what I do for a living involves major change on a daily basis. However I feel that this is the direction we should be going in, and can assure everyone, things will not change dramatically, just be alot more organised.. thats all, it will also enable us to do things we are limited in doing due to the site being a forum.

[KEN 24T]

Just a thought ... if we (Chris) don't do it, what's the chance of someone else doing it?

[CJF077]

Just a thought ... if we (Chris) don't do it, what's the chance of someone else doing it?

Im a bit confused by your question Ken. To tell the truth it does not concern me, if another BA club does come out, but i feel this is the next progression for the site, and so do many, many others..

We are a group now, as you see by our events, why not formalise it?

[KEN 24T]

Just a thought ... if we (Chris) don't do it, what's the chance of someone else doing it?

Im a bit confused by your question Ken. To tell the truth it does not concern me, if another BA club does come out, but I feel this is the next progression for the site, and so do many, many others..

We are a group now, as you see by our events, why not formalise it?

I guess I'm just a little concerned that if we (you) don't do it, then someone else may come along and claim the rights to being "The First XR6 Turbo Club".

It would be a shame if that happened. I think you deserve the bragging rights on that claim.

[plonky]

I voted YES for the following reasons:

Clubs are recognised by CAMS for track days.

Clubs can bargain with insurance companies for special rates, discounts or promotions

Clubs can influence and direct changes to the area of speciality (such as the XR6T in this case) with the manufacturer

Clubs have a 'political voice' where and when it may ever be needed (any future regulation of Hi Po cars by Govts, constructive Road Safety arguments etc)

Clubs also have formal rules to ensure that the behaviour of members is in line with the desired outcomes/majority members such as road behaviour etc. It will also limit the potential for the criminal element who desire anonymity to engage in organised car theft/rebirthing/stolen property

There are more benefits to being in a club and having shared responsibility than to leave it in the Forum owner and hope that the desired bahaviour from Forum members and guests remain what the majority want.

It is not fair or reasonable to the site owner and members to have non members/visitors with the Forum merchandise behaving irresponsibly or criminally in the public arena, This gives everyone who is a member a bad name.

There are more benefit to being in a club than not being in a club.

Just my view.....

[ducatijb]

I'm pretty sure Ford would also listen more to our woes and greviences if we were a club,more so than a public forum where it could be anybody just stirring the pot

[Falchoon]

I don't think my earlier question has been answered yet as to if this is proposed to be an exclusive XR6T Club or BAs in general and also what about people such as XFwannaBA that don't actually own a BA but are mad keen fans? There are also a few WRX and Late model camira owners that are members here as well.

[Adam]

I guess if we did become a club the membership fees would help Chris out with the costs of the site, but would everyone join up?

If we became a club would members only be able to use this forum? I think it would be unfair to the paying members if anyone could still use this forum without joining up once it became a club.

Would paying members be the only people allowed to events and cruises because they would be covered by the policy?

There has to be an advantage for a member over someone just signed up to the forum.

I think the insurance costs would be scary, but I guess with enough members this could be offset, but on second thought would it really be needed? After all we all have our personal insurance, if I hit someone my insurance would cover that not the clubs, wouldn't it?

Finally, I think Chris has done an outstanding job with this forum and I love it, the people and the info that is available at a keystroke is great! :banghead: And once Christmas is behind me I'll make a donation in January, club or not.

Chris

[CJF077]

I don't think my earlier question has been answered yet as to if this is proposed to be an exclusive XR6T Club or BAs in general and also what about people such as XFwannaBA that don't actually own a BA but are mad keen fans? There are also a few WRX and Commodore owners that are members here as well.

Falchoon, yes they can become members as associate members. Anyone is more then welcome to join.

If we became a club would members only be able to use this forum? I think it would be unfair to the paying members if anyone could still use this forum without joining up once it became a club.

Yes anyone could use the forum, however thought has been made into EXCLUSIVE areas for club members, including technical areas, and the like. Also special sections in the forum for club members only, similar to donating members but alot more "special"

Would paying members be the only people allowed to events and cruises because they would be covered by the policy?

This is to be decided, and still being looked into. If the event comes at a cost then yes, paying members would be allowed. "guests" ie friends/family of the club members is welcome to come, however this will be determined by insurance.

Insurance costs can be purchased on a per member type deal, instead of a lump sum for the total year.