Aps Prices.

[fordboy1981]

I just rang APS in Melbourne and here's what I got:

APS stage II kit - $5650 fitted and tuned - 280rwkws @ 9.5psi - 12.8 @ 111mph

APS stage III kit - $3000 fitted and tuned - 330rwkws @14-15psi - 11.6 @ 121mph

*note: stage III kit price is on top of stage II price.

the guy I spoke to said that reliablity is good, their manual test car, that has made over 512rwhp has done over 50,000kms now, trouble free.

but then you have to look at the XR8......

CAPA 8psi vortec kit - $7495 - 280rwkws

CAPA 9psi intercooled vortec kit - $10995 - 395rwkws

decsions, decsions......

Dave.

[dswiders]

Dave,

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CAPA 9psi intercooled vortec kit - $10995 - 395rwkws 

The V8 sounds awsome to me... 395 rwkws

But then again your already paying over 5 grand over the 'T' with extra weight.

Do the 'T' to Phase 3 and great power to weight ratio.

Ummmmmmmm.......

V8 great exhaust burble sound

'T' Turbo wastgate sound & Exhaust note

I suppose you go with what ever you can afford.... so it looks like it's the

'T' for me.

Daniel

[cuspub]

Fordboy1981.

Just for the record, pull out the 1/4 mile calculator (if you haven't one, go here: My Webpage lets for the sake of it multiply the 512rwhp by 25% for 640 horsepower, add in the weight of the vehicle with driver (say 3950 pounds), enter this into the calculator and the car should achieve a 10.68 @ 127.5 mph. On a perfect run.

Umm, sorry, but the APS vehicle is way off that. That being the case, do you really feel that you should believe everything you're told?

Using a Dyno Dynamics rule of thumb, the Stage 111, 330rwkw kit will acheive approximately 440 engine kW or 590 horsepower. That at just 14-15 psi. Yea right!

It's time people questioned postings and manufacturers claims thoroughly, not just dream on and believe.

[fordboy1981]

yeah I know what your saying dude, I would expect something more like 18psi...but then again, they give you a personal dyno sheet with your car and it has mixtures, boost, hp and torque so you would think it would be not advisable to lie about it...

Dave.

[cuspub]

You'd think so fordboy81, but then we come back to the issue of genuine dyno figures.

Look, tomorrow night Nizpro is taking their sedan out to Calder with their Stage 111 kit, so it will be interesting to see what their pace is.

BTW, looking at the APS 1/4-mile string and they say they were running 17 psi for the times. Funny when they claim on the web site that their kit is between 14 and 15 psi.

Likewise, their Stage 11 kit purportedly (well, it's what it says on their web site) "APS delivers a phenomenal 330 kW utilizing a relatively conservative turbo pressure level of 9.5 psi "...wow, isn't that strange given that - and this is an absolute FACT, they run 14 psi!!!!

Who do you believe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TURBO4LT]

cuspub

Where have you been getting your info from ? I was given the same figures as fordboy

[chief]

Cuspub, how do you know they run 14psi for the Phase II?

I believe you re: the phase 3 with the higher boost but they do say the kit will be running less power than the results they have printed, less boost then?

I wouldn't know just asking!

[cuspub]

The figures I have came from my position as a PR person contracted to Nizpro, during a comparison between the vehicles which was performed at both APS and Nizpro workshops on the same day virtually immediately after each other. Boost was read via both the standard vacuum line arrangement, along with an OBD11 connection - which links directly to the factory ECU.

We have a graph showing the exact boost across the rev range and it was 14 psi... FACT.

[chief]

Thanks for explaining your position. You yourself was saying people believe anything here, so atleast now we know how you came to your point of view.

[aps]

cuspub/Greg Brindley - Nizpro PR Consultant,

Unfortunately, your information is incorrect regarding the PHASE III boost levels. We never tested the APS PHASE III System on the day you mentioned. We tested the APS PHASE II System and the Nizpro Stage ????. So get your facts right.

As previously stated on this forum, the PHASE III boost pressure as tested at Calder was 17 psi.

You’re trying to give the members of this forum the impression that you know more about APS products specs than APS, when in fact you clearly don’t. Why don’t you just stick to your own product - it's more professional and helpful to the forum.

Regarding the APS PHASE II system, we have explained before that there is a huge variance in power between supposedly identical XR6 Turbos. For this reason not only does boost pressure level vary from car to car, ignition and fuel maps do also on each and every APS PHASE II system. For the record boost pressure levels will be set between 10 psi - 12 psi depending upon the power level of the car. In other words if we can achieve the desired power at 10 psi, that is where it will be set. There is nothing deceptive about this issue. It is a reality of mass production engines and drive trains. However, this is one reason why we custom map each and every PHASE II XR6 Turbo. The blue APS PHASE II System tested at APS and your facility was an extremely tight 1,500 km young engine and it required 13 psi at peak power to make the grunt.

I will update our web site shortly to show the members of this forum precisely the boost, power and torque curves of the APS PHASE II System. In addition, the astute amongst us will notice that the boost curve is not a roller coaster ride - in fact the opposite is true – consistent and precisely controlled.

Peter

APS