Engine Management Upgrades

[Cobra]

Falchoon ....

for me, getting the some potential out of my car isn't good enough, I want all my car has to offer..... by definition, only live tuning MY car has a chance of providing that ....

those who sell the "pre-tuned chips" may be unable to do anything else

[aps]

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*opens can of worms*

So what about 'off-the-shelf' 'pre-tuned' Unichip kits fitted at selected Ford dealers supplied by another 3rd party Ford Performance Workshop (who might also be a site sponser  )?

When I spoke to my local APS agent about these he was critical about these, is that because the tuning is compromised or because the dealer is taking work away from them? He reckons the former.

When I spoketo the mechanic that fits these at my local Ford dealer he said they never have any probs.

Who do you believe?

Falchoon,

Thanks for raising this issue. I can only assume whom you're talking about. - I will investigate further today as I am not aware of this situation and certainly do not support that approach. You only need a small variance in turbo actuator pressure to have up to half a psi increased turbo pressure, or a small difference in fuel pressure and the standard or pre-programmed map developed by the person you mentioned earlier is completely comprimised. This I can promise you is fact and is also one of the reasons some stock XR6T's make more power than others.

It is my view that any tuner who takes this appoach, that is sending out pre-programmed computers, has absolutely no pride in his workmanship, or is chasing a quick buck. It won't be long before his customers are looking for a better alternative; which won't be difficult to find.

When it comes to live dyno tuning, 5-10% more effort and care by the tuner yields the optimum increase in power and torque. So don't accept less than the tuner's best efforts and if not completely satisfied, talk with the tuner and ask his advice if there is more improvement to be gained from your engine. Real time tuning is the only approach to achieve the best result.

Peter

APS

[1axr]

peter (aps)

thanks heaps for that info.

[Miyagi]

/me drools over modding the car...

but it's under a corporate hire purchase agreement and swapped over in 11 months so no point.... :-(

BUT THINK OF THE POWER! :D

[hypnodoc]

  aps said:

Hi Guys,

:Warning – long post ahead:

There are some issues on this thread that require clarification from APS.

Well said Peter. Your product is terrific and although Reiner is more than helpful over the phone I think you should make sure that your interstate fitters who get exclusive distribution of the UNICHIP (a good idea) should also have some exclusive talents to fit them, because when you live 3000miles away from a manufacturer and begin to have dramas why should you have to continue forking out hourly rates and taking time off work to help mechanics experiment to get it right. My hourly consultancy rate is $250, times that by 15 lost hours + Cabs + the stress and an $1800 UNICHIP becomes a little costly @$3750 in lost income, although once it's sorted it's a terrific product. Obviously in every state there are good tuners and ordinary ones. For those so far away you should ensure that your installing workshops are more interested than just making money. Example

1) Organise a UNICHIP to be installed on a friday with promises of ready by 4pm. Get to dealer and car won't start, installer can't get a code from you guys till Mon morn = rental car + anger + planned & paid for weekend away stuffed up:dirtboy:

Go to installer on monday, car running like a goat and pinging, blah, blah, blah.

I think you guys should ensure your installers are properly trained. However you do have one exceptional outlet in Perth. The UNICHIP is great once it's sorted, but tools are only as good as the tradesman using them

[1axr]

doc

it's good to see you got it sorted and thanks for the pm on your local dealer.

[hypnodoc]

  1axr said:

doc

it's good to see you got it sorted and thanks for the pm on your local dealer.

Yeah mate, at long bloody last. I see you use the dealer anyway, I think they are terrific, couldn't get the grin off Steve's face (or mine) yesterday arvo. Make sure you use Formaz when you go the upgrade. I'm relatively new to WA (ex Banana Bender) Apart from Kwinana do you know if there are ever any runs or meets happening over here?

[cuspub]

Peter has certainly gone to a lot of trouble providing his opinion, and there is no doubt the Unichip is a good product.

There is a problem, though, with people making statements degrading another person/s kit or kit concept, irrespective of there being a pact made between the two companies concerned.

Seems to me that a lot of people out there are brainwashed by reading too many forum posts.

Bottom line, if you believe everything you read on here, you are either very naive or brain dead. Enough said!

[aps]

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There is a problem, though, with people making statements degrading another person/s kit or kit concept, irrespective of there being a pact made between the two companies concerned.

Dear Cuspub / Greg Brindley,

Why aren't you up front with forum members and just tell them you work for Nizpro as a PR person, rather than hiding behind the cuspub name? To the best of my knowledge, I have never made any derogitory remarks about an opposition product. I was simply pointing out that new products can and do have problems. For the record, we welcome healthy competition as its good for the industry.

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1. New products no matter what they are can and do have problems - Even when the product is an emulation of a Unichip. For example, we recently replaced another brand of interceptor (no names mentioned) on two XR6 Turbos for customers whose vehicles suffered from difficult starting, erratic boost levels and inconsistent performance. Given that some people who have used this product are pleased, I can only assume that the problems do not exist in every computer of that brand as you would expect there to be more frequent complaints - or that the vehicle owners do not consider them to be major problems.

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Seems to me that a lot of people out there are brainwashed by reading too many forum posts.

The only way forum members can make considered decisions regarding performance equipment, is when they have first hand information from the company or manufacturer. The more accurate the information members can absorb, the better in my view. Of course the choice is ultimately up to each individual to purchase what best suits their needs. Lord knows there's is more than enough misinformation circulating around forums. - It's great to have the opportunity to contribute to the forum in a constructive way.

In order to have credibilty within the industry, it's important that PR people working for a business are transparent. - Lets keep this on an even playing field.

Peter

APS

[Cobra]

well fielded Peter