turbotrana Member 2,586 Member For: 21y 8m 1d Gender: Male Posted 24/02/15 08:38 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 08:38 AM I've been thru this. I bought an FG that had a stalling problem (me being the third owner). The second owner of the vehicle spent $15000 on mods at a top Perth Tuning place to be left with an FG that stalled. That is the reason why he got rid of it. The tuner had a few goes in trying to fix. I saw that he played with some dashpot parameters in the tune to try to fix it but he was way off the problem.When I bought the car I rang the "top perth tuner" to try and sort the matter out. He said he thought he fixed it. He also lied to me and said the car was stalling before it was bought to him. Complete BS. He was of no help, I just saw he wanted to try to get money out of me instead of jointly trying to solve the problem.Anyway at the time I gave the tuner the benefit of the doubt cause he was " a top perth tuner" and I didn't think the tuner was the cause of the problem. I didn't want to blame someone for something that I wasn't sure of. I tracked down the service history of the vehicle and there was never an issue with stalling prior to the modifications, the first owner of the vehicle confirmed this.Nevertheless I had a tuning background, learnt HP Tuners and it was pretty clear once it was solved that it was ALL caused by what the tuner did. As I said before, your original tuner may NUT it out. But if he does not, do not be afraid to politely say that thankyou for your work, however the vehicle does stall after you tuned it. You have had a couple of goes at it with no success. Now give me a refund for the tuning work and I will let someone else have a go.The tuner may be a great guy. You did not pay for a car that stalls 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Googs Member 95 Member For: 11y 5m 25d Gender: Male Location: Western Suburbs Posted 24/02/15 08:45 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 08:45 AM Turbotrana great response mate really appreciate it. I think you are 100% right. I mean I am very unhappy that I've paid good money only to have the car stall on me its really not acceptable. The fact that the tuner does not know instantly what is wrong is worrying for me as any solution he comes up with is basically going to be a stab in the dark. I will wait to hear from him and if he can't find a solution this time, I will as you suggested politely ask him for a refund on the tune and take it to another tuner to see if they can solve the issue.Is stalling going to damage my engine? Obviously I'm avoiding driving it at the moment but its my daily and I cant really afford to leave it at home every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotrana Member 2,586 Member For: 21y 8m 1d Gender: Male Posted 24/02/15 09:13 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 09:13 AM The stalling will not damage anything. But it is a safety issue where it is dangerous having a vehicle that randomly stalls. I would not let anyone drive my FG until I fixed it. Also very embarrasing having a car that stalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark_Googs Member 95 Member For: 11y 5m 25d Gender: Male Location: Western Suburbs Posted 24/02/15 09:15 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 09:15 AM yeah fair call. It only stalls when I stop the car and the revs go to around 600rpm. Basically the issue is at idle and its compounded as soon as I stop and they drop that's when it will stall. During normal driving the car is absolutely fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camo86T Silver Donating Members 1,810 Member For: 10y 9m 19d Gender: Male Location: SW Sydney Posted 24/02/15 09:45 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 09:45 AM Interesting readWhen I first got my ute tuned back in 2011 (not by current tuner), I also had a similar stalling issue, just when idling at the lights usually.The guy was a fair hike from where I am so I let him know it was an issue, and put up with it until I had spare time. It wasn't so bad for me as mine is manual, could always tell it was about to die and give the throttle a prod.When I took it back to him for a replacement clutch he gave the tune a bit of a tweak...also wrung a few extra ponies out of it so no complaints that's for sure lol...and voila no more stallingHope your bloke can sort it mateThough if you've been back there a couple of times for him to have a crack at it then yeah you may need to look at other optionsGood luck with getting a full refund on the tune though lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masda74 To Loud Gold Donating Members 4,112 Member For: 13y 1d Gender: Male Location: WA, Perth Posted 24/02/15 10:34 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 10:34 AM To be honest, they have tuned it to the point where it has good power. It is the stalling that is the issue.To be fair to the tuna, I think I would only be comfortable ask for 50% of the tuning cost back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camo86T Silver Donating Members 1,810 Member For: 10y 9m 19d Gender: Male Location: SW Sydney Posted 24/02/15 10:55 AM Share Posted 24/02/15 10:55 AM (edited) I wouldn't be paying anything to have it fixed, whether it was done by the original tuner or someone else he used.But if you demand a refund, full or otherwise then you have to find another tuner, who didn't tune the car and is now fixing up someone else's problem, and you'll be paying them decent money anywayAnd while there are many honest and upright tuners, you'd be naïve to think there aren't plenty of operators out there who could turn what may be a small problem into a pretty big drama that requires plenty of coin thrown at itHence the value of the forum and finding the right tuner... CMS4LYF!!My 2c Edited 24/02/15 10:58 AM by camo86T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbotrana Member 2,586 Member For: 21y 8m 1d Gender: Male Posted 24/02/15 01:24 PM Share Posted 24/02/15 01:24 PM This tuners tune is of NO value to a subsequent tuner. With SCT a new tuner has to start from scratch anyway and I would as most tuners prefer to start from a virgin tune. Especially considering this particular tune has an issue and has had its tables raped.Who knows what he has done. Are they ID1000 injectors or 1000cc injectors bought off ebay. A new tuner is faced with questions like this and it can sometimes just end up being a big headphuck for the people who have to fix up these sorts of jobs.You deserve a full refund. Be nice but firm. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masda74 To Loud Gold Donating Members 4,112 Member For: 13y 1d Gender: Male Location: WA, Perth Posted 24/02/15 03:30 PM Share Posted 24/02/15 03:30 PM Turbotrana, thank you for taking the time to explain that. I understand now, why a full refund for the tuning is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilko16 Donating Members 1,672 Member For: 17y 10d Gender: Male Location: Melbourne Posted 24/02/15 07:08 PM Share Posted 24/02/15 07:08 PM Could I suggest a throttle body clean, just to rule out the really simple thingI know it's just had a tune but the stock tune might have been able to compensate for it Only a suggestion and I hope it gets fixed without to much trouble 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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