ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 7m 14d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 12/05/11 11:57 AM Share Posted 12/05/11 11:57 AM Not going to try to justify the cost or defend others, but there is more to just buying product and then reselling ithere is a post I made previously There is a lot more than Herrod buying a box in and putting a mark up on it.Knowing how the Americans work, Herrods would have to purchase a minimum quantity and then a certain amount each year.I have no idea how much but lets say he may have had to fork out a million dollars, just to purchase the boxes.I assume they would be paying interest on the moneyThey have employed full time staff for customer support, that comes at a cost.They would have to warehouse stock and have insurance in it.They have to act as the australian arm of SCT and collect processor codes from new models as they are released, this would involve aquiring cars, having special equipment to be able to extract it and it would also take time.I know that Rob has invested a lot of money in the ZF side of things to try to get it operating, including purchasing tran's, PCM's and valvebodies etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradles024 Donating Members 1,145 Member For: 15y 1m 27d Gender: Male Posted 12/05/11 12:40 PM Share Posted 12/05/11 12:40 PM What is lacking in VCM software? There's some cars out there making some good power using VCM suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 7m 14d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 12/05/11 12:50 PM Share Posted 12/05/11 12:50 PM torque management has quite a few areas missing, auto trans (4 speed) has stuff missing from the top of my head, when I purchased the HP stuff, I was told that some BA's could not have boost control controlled correctly with it and an aftermarket controller may be required on some cars.Power is normally the easist thing to get when tuning, the driveability stuff normally take the time to get Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IH8TOADS Silver Donating Members 3,618 Member For: 19y 6m 2d Gender: Male Location: OZ Posted 13/05/11 02:36 AM Share Posted 13/05/11 02:36 AM Being a sct dealer myself, the margin on the devices is fair. What many people don't realize when you're buying an x3 is that you are also paying for the most advanced ford data logging hardware and software available. Nothing else even comes close. You also have the ability to store 3 tunes as well as the factory tune. SCT is the premier tuning hardware and software and in the end of the day it's not that expensive. Ratter makes some very good comments above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Moar Powar Babeh Lifetime Members 19,323 Member For: 19y 3m 18d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 13/05/11 02:54 AM Share Posted 13/05/11 02:54 AM I have too agree with Ratter and Toads, SCT is better than HPT at this point. HPT make constant changes to the software as user request but they have alot of ground to make up.IMHO SCT is a better choice for a workshop and an End user that wants there car tuned and then wants to drive it and forget about it.HPT is a better choice for an enthuisiast who likes to tune there own car and is prepared to work with HPT to get the most out of the software for there individual car.If I was a set and forget end user ann X-Cal 2/3 and a expert tuner like Ratter would be the go. Being that Im a budget conscious enthuisiast who doesnt mind waiting for changes I've gone with HPT (of course if i had the option to buy Advantage 3 that toady got i would have jumped at it too )Oh and 1 last dig at SCT, Anbody wanna buy and X-cal1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteXR Member 117 Member For: 14y 2m 29d Gender: Male Location: sydney Posted 13/05/11 02:59 AM Share Posted 13/05/11 02:59 AM Im left with an xcal 1 sitting there doing nothing aswell. I just bought a xcal 2 on ebay for 350 used and went straight to tunehouse. All good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgxod Member 214 Member For: 13y 8m 10d Posted 15/05/11 03:03 AM Author Share Posted 15/05/11 03:03 AM That's like how we were only ment to pay toll fees for the first 2 years or until project budget was reached for citylink. I'm saying how long can you have r&d costs on your unit for? You would think they would come down in price now that he has covered all the costs and it's now all profit. Because if that was the case well maybe tvs should be still 10k not 500 bucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 7m 14d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 15/05/11 04:09 AM Share Posted 15/05/11 04:09 AM Development is an ongoing thing, ford are continually updating ecu strategys, these strategys need to be supported, us tuners also have to pay for this, we recently had to pay for an update to allow us to tune euro 4 fords.Top class Tv's cost a lot more than $500 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteXR Member 117 Member For: 14y 2m 29d Gender: Male Location: sydney Posted 15/05/11 04:24 AM Share Posted 15/05/11 04:24 AM The device feels like a $5 flimsy piece of plastic. But hey guess what, without it, you will never make your car a beast. True? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 7m 14d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 15/05/11 04:31 AM Share Posted 15/05/11 04:31 AM Many members here have been to more than 1 tuner, once they own the X3 it can be used by any registered tuner with the tuning software, if you were using another brand of software, each different tuner would have to charge you for the licence fees to tune your car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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