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[01txr]

Cranny oh not this again

F1 rear wheel drive only but if you look at a f1 car they have huge rear rubber, can't fit tyres that big in the guards of a falcon, also they have a very effective rear wing that creates huge downforce.

Ferrari mid engined better weight transfer to rear also can fit huge rubber and are aero designed to give good downforce.

Most of your high end euro run big dollar suspension as well tyres like continantals which cost $1000 au plus each not to mention are a lot lighter then a Falcon.

A supercar eg lambo

[cranny]

I love a good stir u must admit though RWD are a hell of a lot more fun.

[01txr]

Cranny

F1 rear wheel drive only but if you look at a f1 car they have huge rear rubber, can't fit tyres that big in the guards of a falcon, also they have a very effective rear wing that creates huge downforce.

Ferrari mid engined better weight transfer to rear also can fit huge rubber and are aero designed to give good downforce.

Most of your high end euro run big dollar suspension as well tyres like continantals which cost $1000 au plus each not to mention are a lot lighter then a Falcon.

A supercar eg Lambo, Ferrari etc are designed with least weight possible so awd does not work with them as it will increase frontal weight that they don't require Concidering they can generate all the traction they need due to tyre size, weight transfer, aero and not to mention big dollar suspension set ups.

V8 supercars are rwd and live axle to keep costs down.

Can you remember the old Sierra's and Gidzilla Skylines, no rear wheel drive car could touch them.

That included the m3's.

I used to own a TD Cortina I built with a 351w and in the dry it was pretty quick and cornered better than a falcon.

I had a play with a R33 GTR in the wet and straight line I could nearly stay with him but as soon as we hit corners I was left looking snail slow.

Same car in the dry a lot quicker then him straight line and marginally slower through corners.

Awd works in heavy sedans that can't fit 330 plus wide rubber and huge wings for downforce.

Do you watch top gear, did you see the merc v's m5, they where nuts, lots of oversteer and absolutely frying the tyres with smoke bellowing from the rear guards.

[Rudiger]

FWD is all money driven. The car companies ALWAYS look for a cheaper option - proof? I give you front wheel drive.

Yes F1 have big rubber, so too do feraris and lambos. Why? Cause cost isnt an option. The best performance is the way to go. RWD all the way for me. I hate FWD. Always have, always will.

[Turbo6FG]

AWD is awesome if done properly with all the tricky diffs & stuff they use now. Mitsubishi Evo, Subaru Sti & most of all the new Nissan GTR are some great examples of AWD. I think the GTR is still in the top 5 production cars to lap the Nuburgring & it's only pipped by cars costing 2,3,4 times as much.

The new one being released soon is faster too. 3.0 seconds dead to 100km/h. Only 1/2 a second slower than the Bugatti Veyron (also AWD).

[RHR]

I honestly cant see the falcon as we know it going to a RWD based platform. If this was going to happen I doubt ford would have spent around 40 mill on developing a new engine (to an extent) for the current series.

I dare say this is just the very eraly beginning for the SC v8 and taking into account how long the 5.4 was in production I reckon the miami has between 8 and 10 years remaining.

Ford would surely have to know by now that if they sell a large FWD car in the Aussie market it will be the beginning of the end.

[Guest XR09]

Ford Aus. know we wont take to a Fwd Falcon. Ford US on the other hand .......

40mil on a donk for a three to four yer run just does not make any sense. 40mil on a donk for only a few models makes even less sense.

Lets get this mother of a motor and shoe horn it into everything from a Fiesta to the Terry.

Where is our XR8, G8E And T8.

Cannot see the value in an AWD Falcon. It would just cost too much, drink too much and servicing costs would hit another league. And think of the crap diff they give us now....do you really want two of them ?????

[01txr]

We can only guess to the future of what ford has planned.

Xr09

Having 2 diffs will divide the torque over the 2 so they won't see the load they do on one diff.

I don't know how many diffs have failed but mine has had a very hard life with plenty of power put through it and it is still in good condition.

They are a very good diff for what there design was for, I have not heard of any breaking with standard power and very few in big power applications.

The fact that there is so many 400rwkw cars and we don't hear to many diffs failing would suggest they are not as bad as you may feel.

However cv's are a problem, Same again won't have the load as distribuated over 4 driven axles.

As for cost for awd, we already have the Territory and it would not cost as much to engineer it for the falcon as from doing it from scratch.

They will be able to use alot of the development from the territory in the falcon.

remember the Nizpro Territory, ran high 11's with 450kw

Now imagine with less weight of a Falcon.

Quite sure whatever Ford have planned it will be a step in the right direction as doubt they would want to go backwards or stay stagnet.

Alot of guys pushing over 400rwkw know how bad the Falcon is at putting power down on street rubber.

It is so bad in the wet that even just trying to take off from a set of lights as lightly as possible still turns the tyres.

Maybe it was worse in my car as it was making boost from as low as 1100rpm.

I feel awd would help substantially, as well stability could be controlled even better with 4 driven axles as the they could be controlled individually to get power to the corner that needs it the most.

The new tech being applied is not like the old landcruiser setups. They are vastly improved.

As you state not as Eco, that's probably the most concern of awd due to the extra weight and double the driven wheels.

Maybe they will design it as ecu controlled to engage only when required?

[SteveJH]

AWD wouldn't be too bad as long as it was a longditudinal system like in the Territory or Audi's (except TT) as there would be nothing preventing the use of V8's etc with a longitudinal layout.

[Arkayne]

Right, regarding the debate about RWD's not going faster then 5 seconds to 100 km/h in a 4-door family car is a ridiculous claim.

I know I'll get some churps at this, but the HSV W427 claimed a 4.7s 0-100 km/h run.

BMW M3 V8, both Coupe and Sedan run a constant 0-100 in 4.5 seconds.

A LOT of modified Falcons also do a fast 0-100, and we've seen this via the FG XR6T, being a smaller turbo thus spooling faster for a faster 0-100km/h run.

So, regardless.. YES, the AWD system would make traction a hell of a lot easier, but we'll also gain a lot more weight, and thus, our times wouldn't be much faster..