Manual Or Auto?

[cranny]

I also forget tremecs are also used in Hummer H1 2 3 and mack trucks they might not be as smooth as a merc or a r35 skyline but they will match them in strength an durability. (smooth boxes are for girls men like it hard) no pun intended.

Cheers

[01txr]

Jimmixr thanks on interests on my opinion.

You seem to miss my point, I referred to bomber stating the T56/t6060 are not such as a dog box and quoted opinions of other affordable Cars manual gearboxs from experience.

When you state the likes of the BMW & Merc's, yes you would hope they where far better for the coin. Only thing is if the Astons & Jags use the same box as our falcons then your opinion on what is good and not maybe different to lots of others.

I like manual gearboxs that are over engineered not ones that just cope.

Hence why I stated varies manual gearboxs I have experienced.

The VW cheap euro was a excellent box for it's era, very strong, used in off road race buggies etc.

The great old Toploader, not much could match it's strength in it's day.

Now we have a T56 that can handle inexcess of 1000rwhp with a bit of strengthening.

That's my point, the Factory autos won't.

You need to either use a C4 or Glide for those power levels unless you want to change the box everytime it goes bang.

How many of these Euro manual gearboxs can handle 1000rwhp, and cost the same as the T56 using OEM gears.

Then if you are saying the t56 is slow in gear change, are you comparing it to paddle shift or dual clutch boxs that cost 3 times the t56?

I can change cogs very quickly in mine, can also flat change but prefer not to.

Even toasted a 2008 m5 while my clutch was slipping, in 3rd-5th.

What do you think of the R35 with it's dual clutch manual?

Maybe it shifts nice, but have you heard how it smashes 1st & 2nd cogs mainly due to the launch control as well it runs smaller cogs then the r34.

Also apparently you have to service the box every 1800k's with a special recipe of fluid that Nissan only supplies at a price of $100 per liter and that it holds something like 10 liters.

Alot of these euro gearboxs you mention will be very similar in service costs and not any stronger then a T56.

Mostly you will fine the reason why the T56 feels slower, has a heavier shift etc is because it has larger cogs, greater size, more weight.

It's the same when you compare the t56 to a truck gearbox, yes I use to drive trucks for a living, very slow heavy shifts. Larger internals again, more weight more friction.

From my knowledge Tremac along with Hollinger, Doug Nash, Richmond etc are gearbox's of choice in a lot of motorsport classes.

Can't be to bad to be amongst those brands.

A T56/T6060 is in my opinion a great manual gearbox, it handles excessive power it's cheap to service, and it feels better than any other relevant manual gearbox I have driven.

I doubt you could find a better box bfyb.

Geeus cranny didn't know they used tremac's in hummers and trucks, they must know how to build strong box's to haul all that weight around.

Agree peoples opinion do count, just look at the vt gen3, they road tested them all portrayed it as a great engine, little did people know it was plagued with poor oil pickup as well poor machining tolerances which saw lots of engines rerung from as little as 20k and some even destroy themselves.

You just can't go test a car and have a definant verdic, you need to see how they go after they have clocked up k's.

You want a good feel of a vehicle go test high k examples.

That will give a better idea of what will last and feel good still.

It will still vary depending on how well vehicle is maintained and weather it's

Major parts are original or not.

From peoples opinions you can work out a lot, some may be more helpful then others, some may be wrong, but you have to evaluate all opinions and work through the answers that are most relevant to what you want.

[IBOO57]

Lets hope you can hustle the Manual better than Motor Mag just did in the Performance car of the year comparison.

After trying all sorts of different launch techniques the best they could manage was a 13.5 @ 182 ks.

Zero to 100 in 5.49

And its 80-120 time of 2.9 is slower than a F6s time also.

The GT came dead last in this years PCOTY (12th) whilst the Ford Focus RS came 4th.

They said great motor let down by the chassis and pizza cutter tyres. Becoming a very common thing to hear.

Why dosent FPV get it when everyone else dose?

Also the Jag XJ with its blown 5 liter but running a ZF 6 speed managed

zero to 100 in 4.7

1/4 mile in 12.9

and 80-120 in 2.64.

[cranny]

I still believe that the F6 is a quicker in stock form. Motor have managed quicker times in the Manual F6. I hate how ford hyped up this new GT. I was overly excited about driving one. and when I did I was gutted. those times are actuallt slower than a Xr6 & a G6et really not much quicker than the old 5.4 anchor.

[discostig]

On the bright side: tune only, bolt on slicks and drop 2 seconds from your factory time! If I'd borrowed some slicks I might have managed to do that in my T, but it cost 5 grand to get there.

Edited 18/01/11 09:26 AM by -SteveR-

[IBOO57]

Not real handy when that Clubsport is sitting at the lights next to you.....

Hang 5 mate ill just go home and bolt some slicks up and be back in a minute

Regardless it shows that in manual on street tyres the times will be very inconsistent due to difficulty launching. Tune or not.

Still costs 55 grand more than my car owes me and does a mid 13. No thanks.

[01txr]

All the GT needs to compliment that orsm engine is a pair of 275/285 Toyo Proxy's or equivalent.

Had situation where I was running around 300rwkw with nangkangs on and had a stock ve SS show me there tail lights till mid 3rd, man I was pissed.

Need to say those tyres soon where added to the tyre dump.

It's very weird why ford had not upgraded the tyres for the GT maybe trying to be a bit historical like the old GTHO ph3 having huge power and on pathetic little rubber.

Once we start seeing tuned GT's with good rubber, that when it will show it's power.

We are already seeing over 400rwkw from tune only, wait once the sc gets geared up to make some decent boost and what ever other bolt ons become available.

Think the auto will struggle.

Another reason to go manual if you are going to chase bigger numbers.

[cranny]

Mate I agree with you that this motor is amazing and has huge potential. But come on ford why put all that effort all that Funding and resources into the R&D and then come out with a similar speced Car to the F6 surely ford could at minimum put bigger tyres on or at least given the option. And on top of that they still use identical driveline.

Now I am not saying the i6 is a better motor but pound for pound the F6 still handles better accelerates faster I think it looks better bar the quad pipes. And is a fair bit cheaper.

I Wanted this GT to rock but in my eyes it let me down I have heard that for will be revising the rear end in 2011 12 hopefully then we will have a supercar.

[cranny]

cheers

[suzuki malisha]

Mate I agree with you that this motor is amazing and has huge potential. But come on ford why put all that effort all that Funding and resources into the R&D and then come out with a similar speced Car to the F6 surely ford could at minimum put bigger tyres on or at least given the option. And on top of that they still use identical driveline.

Now I am not saying the i6 is a better motor but pound for pound the F6 still handles better accelerates faster I think it looks better bar the quad pipes. And is a fair bit cheaper.

I Wanted this GT to rock but in my eyes it let me down I have heard that for will be revising the rear end in 2011 12 hopefully then we will have a supercar.

I think everyone including you forgets that this GT is NOT a new model as such. It is only a engine upgrade to suit emissions. Good luck spending more than 40mill when the next model is coming out....give FPV a break

When I hear alot of doubts as to the liveability with the manual and its notchy shifts and almost nothing but praise for the auto, id find it very hard to go with the natural option of the manual.