Ralph Wiggum Moar Powar Babeh Lifetime Members 19,332 Member For: 19y 8m 1d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 09/12/10 12:51 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 12:51 AM Oh dear Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUS12 Member 471 Member For: 17y 10m 19d Posted 09/12/10 01:01 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 01:01 AM Quote Mate I know the shop that does the heads for brad and they use a five axis cnc they just bought but a stock head will make 1000hp without doing any bowl work or short turns and I know the owner of the machining shop personally and brad aswell have known him for 20 odd years and u can ask brad himself because he knows the issues of the head I was in the shop when this machine was getting installed!! I believe my head has had a lot of work by brad on a flow bench. that's what he told me when he built it, their were many "firsts' in this motor that we tried and turns out it worked, and as I said I was on the phone to brad as I wrote that yesterday, and your right yes he does know the issues of the head, and we changed some stuff with mine!!! mate im obviously wrond and so are the dynos and track. so be my guest go spend 3 grand on solids ITS A GREAT INVESTMENT hahaha,like dirty 32 said im only giving my opinion and its based on MY MOTOR not what somone thinks, I watch my needle go off the tacho often. maybe that's wrong too??? Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIRO F6 Member 1,817 Member For: 16y 4m 4d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane, QLD Posted 09/12/10 01:53 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 01:53 AM On 09/12/2010 at 12:40 AM, Dirty32 said: I was within a couple of feet of Daniel Ricciardo a week or 2 ago, but that doesnt make me a F1 driver.You lucky bugger, did you say hello to him for me?Sorry, back to the topic :popcorn: Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
straughsberry Donating Members 1,846 Member For: 17y 9m 6d Gender: Male Location: Broady, Melbourne Posted 09/12/10 02:15 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 02:15 AM There are quite a few Barra's spinning to 7500+ rpm on hydraulic lifters. As has been mentioned, cams need changing if you want to make power past 6000rpm. The Atomic stage 5 cam will make power past 7500 rpm from what I've seen.On solids, you should make a little more power and gain some rpm as well. Are they "needed"? Depends on what you are trying to achieve. It's been proven that 600+rwkw is achievable on stock heads, cams and hydraulics with a sub 80mm turbo. As I see it, things like cams, solid lifters, porting, extra machine work etc will give you efficiency and therefore make more power with the same/less boost giving you a greater power potential before things like heads lifting and stuff breaking happens. That's why we're going to the lengths we are going to. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUS12 Member 471 Member For: 17y 10m 19d Posted 09/12/10 03:14 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 03:14 AM Quote As I see it, things like cams, solid lifters, porting, extra machine work etc will give you efficiency and therefore make more power with the same/less boost giving you a greater power potential before things like heads lifting and stuff breaking happens. That's why we're going to the lengths we are going to. very very true. solids will probably gain some more revvs as you said, but I think the supporting mods wouls have to be massive to see the gains of the lifters. im talking 8000rpm plus, the cams, head work and turbo would be hugggggggeeeeeeee.but as I said to old mate I dont believe anyone has reached the limit of atomics hydraulic lifters yet,my point was pretty much that he was wrong saying these motors dont make power past 6500rpm and now saying my motor isnt revving that hard or making that much power.I have spoken to brad from atomic many times about this. and he doesnt think they are needed. but then again spiros BIG motor will have them, and I believe that will set the bar Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUS12 Member 471 Member For: 17y 10m 19d Posted 09/12/10 03:15 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 03:15 AM that's in no way having a go at you straughsberry if it sounds like it mate lol. Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSI40L Member 175 Member For: 22y 5m 7d Posted 09/12/10 04:09 AM Author Share Posted 09/12/10 04:09 AM (edited) kent, wasnt having a go at you just wanted ppl to be more suffice with what they write 9.9@139 with 740 hp sounds more believable you have 9.9 @139 with 1044rwhp im in the progress of building an all out motor myself and I know how much money I have spent so far ... it is an expensive process the idea of this thread was to see if anyone has been using solid lifters as im wanting to get some for my own and have come to the conclusion to make some myself ud think ppl are here on a forum to help eachother out. I know all the pros and cons, brads lifters are anti pump which act like a solid and eventually do bleed off .no doubt they do work better than stock ones . but the road im heading like urself is to show that it can be achievable ... Edited 09/12/10 04:23 AM by PSI40L Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty32 Legendary member!! Donating Members 1,739 Member For: 18y 4m 2d Gender: Male Location: Dianella, West Oz Posted 09/12/10 04:27 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 04:27 AM Maybe its just me, but I thought that the thread was very helpful until you took it the wrong way and turned it into something it didnt need to be...You actually came out with a statement about design floors and the Barra I6 motor not being able to make power higher in the rev range, moreso than a question...People were giving you information and links about solid lifters (to 2 products) and their use for a number of years, as well as information on hydraulic lifters that are managing quite well at very high levels.You then turned it into a dick measuring contest by saying you know every engine builder under the sun and that your knowledge surpasses everyone elses, and that kent either doesnt have the power he claims or cannot drive.If you had of kept humble and listened to the advice of others that have been here before you, instead of spouting off, we wouldnt have been "blo asses"! Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Moar Powar Babeh Lifetime Members 19,332 Member For: 19y 8m 1d Gender: Male Location: Perth Posted 09/12/10 04:45 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 04:45 AM Geez mate, you wonder why nobody is rushing too help you out.Leave out the personal attacks or the thread will closed and you'l be on holiday Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUS12 Member 471 Member For: 17y 10m 19d Posted 09/12/10 04:57 AM Share Posted 09/12/10 04:57 AM Quote But what happens when u run out of lift on the hydraulics due to revs ... that motor would be making its peak power at 6 - 6500 rpm tops yes u can rev it to 8 but it wont make power to that just remember rev equals power a Quote Dus12 if your motor makes that type of power with hydraulics then u must be an engineer and a half whats the secret ??? what rods are u running? what crank what cams u sound like a genius or u have a magic touch to putting a combo together how have u solved the cylinder leakeage problem champion , what gaskets are u using ? your block and head are they o- ring whats your clame to fame dude ... I know c & v very well ... and most of the big tuners and engine builders and have put many combos together myself ... Even Gas motorsports ditched there 2000hp power program for the ford because there was no way at least to solve these issues ... and I dont know where your car was dynoed at but if your is making 1044 hp atw dude your ute should be running 150mph plus and it should be in the low 9s high 8s and that's being conservative so let me tell u someting dude the dyno u put the car on is either on steroids or you cant drive it because it aint showing the numbers my friend.... The only real dyno is the track and dont you forget it. Mate I know the shop that does the heads for brad and they use a five axis cnc they just bought but a stock head will make 1000hp without doing any bowl work or short turns and I know the owner of the machining shop personally and brad aswell have known him for 20 odd years and u can ask brad himself because he knows the issues of the head . so I dont know what u are on about... and I know the guy himself who puts the motors together for brad so ill be question which tree are you barking up ? sounds like attack to me MATE Link to comment https://www.fordxr6turbo.com/forum/topic/72039-solid-lifters/page/3/#findComment-1062353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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