Most Power On Standard Manifold

[6BOOST]

  On 10/11/2010 at 6:08 AM, darios typhoon said:

hi guys jim from tune house has got 500kw on stock manifold and standard turbo using e85 on my car so it can be done that was on 24 psi

What sort of % does a hub dyno read over a typical DD so we can compare to other figures given? I think one of Jims customers was making about 550rwkw and made 470 on a DD? Not slagging the difference, a dyno is a tuning tool, it would just be good to keep the comparisons straight forward for those who don't realise the difference.

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[RIP_HSV]

off topic but are you selling/supplying these injectors Kyle? if so what are they worth?

[IH8TOADS]

  On 07/11/2010 at 12:39 PM, 6BOOST said:

Well I am not the tuning wizard of this outfit, so I will let jamie chime in when he gets a chance and give a better description of the pro's and cons, suffice to say that my ute was run with 60lb deka's for 18 months, and the driveability has never been better since switching them out for hiflowed stockers. I have to say that for someone like Nizpro to use hiflowed injectors, there has to be merit to the cause, not that I sondone their injectors, I don't like drilled injectors in the slightest, and our injectors are not drilled in any way, how they are modified is a secret that will remain with us! My belief in hiflowing the stock injectors is not one of trying to flog the product, they simply work, PJ's quick bits does great ones as well, buy them off him if you think its a self promotion, we just prefer them, to each his own.

Its simple really, I made good power on a stock manifold, so people were interested in the supporting mods to achieve it. But I agree that its getting far off track, so lets get back to the topic at hand Who's got some notable cars/power figures/times from a stock manifold out there?

6BOOST

6BOOST I remember the PJ injectors a while back and then they dissapeared......I never got to use these but was very interested as I thought they had a new director plate installed which obviously flowed more fuel. This was actually the reasoning behind the question above. As I stated I wasn't trying to be negative but I have spent hrs on many different injectors (including the 60's) gathering data and trying to gets actual facts on the performance of different injectors. This all started from the fact that my car always ran $hit on the deka's.....Headsex steered me in the right direction and I've since realised that tuning makes all the difference. I've made alot of posts in the past regarding injectors and I've even posted that a stock injector with a precision director plate would be the bomb! The sound of your injectors brings nothing but a smile to my face as I have been waiting for something like this to pop up again! Stoked you have gone down this path and you're onto a winner!

Sorry for going off-topic guys....back to manifolds!

[darios typhoon]

  On 10/11/2010 at 11:11 AM, 6BOOST said:

What sort of % does a hub dyno read over a typical DD so we can compare to other figures given? I think one of Jims customers was making about 550rwkw and made 470 on a DD? Not slagging the difference, a dyno is a tuning tool, it would just be good to keep the comparisons straight forward for those who don't realise the difference.

6BOOST

that customer was me on diiferent set up and it was 540kw and on dd dyno was 500kw with 20 psi in tyres

[RIP_HSV]

  On 11/11/2010 at 2:27 AM, darios typhoon said:

that customer was me on diiferent set up and it was 540kw and on dd dyno was 500kw with 20 psi in tyres

what did it make on 98RON?

[darios typhoon]

it made 450kw

[kartman]

  On 31/10/2010 at 2:21 AM, 6BOOST said:

The FG intake has same or similar flow to the aftermarket items, with better distribution, and the main thing for me is I have done everything under the bonnet to try and look stock, so having an improvement while looking stock was a bonus. It was a hell of a lot of work though, I would highly advise against it for anyone paying a shop to do it, or don't expect change from $2500 with the manifold and rail fitted. It did give a nice improvement both in bottom end, and more so power all the way to redline (an extra 500rpm).

Our hiflow injectors are about the same size as Seimens 80lb'ers with better spray pattern and work nicer on the stock ecu as you don't have to worry about dead times etc being any different, they just seem to run nicer than aftermarket injectors. You can make around 1000rwhp on petrol and 750 on E85 with them.

6BOOST

How do you get 1000 rwhp out of 80 lbs injectors? You are pushing it to make more than 900 engine hp on 80 lbs injectors and that's at a very forgiving 0.45 BSFC and 85% duty cycle.

[6BOOST]

  On 13/11/2010 at 12:10 PM, kartman said:

How do you get 1000 rwhp out of 80 lbs injectors? You are pushing it to make more than 900 engine hp on 80 lbs injectors and that's at a very forgiving 0.45 BSFC and 85% duty cycle.

Do your figures come from internet research or tuning? As we have several 1000+hp falcons, and I can assure you that your figures are incorrect. Bradens FG makes 984rwhp, has run 119mph to half track with a few big peddles, indicating 155+mph trap speeds, and at 4200lb is 1200 flywheel hp, or about spot on for 984rwhp thru a 3 speed auto and 5000rpm converter. All on 80lb injectors. Where you might be going wrong is using 85% duty cycle. That might be great in a perfect world, but when you make 1000+hp its common to run injectors at close to or at 100%, especially when customers are at a dyno comp. Also keep in mind ID1000's and 2000's weren't around, or at least common when we built these cars.

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[kartman]

I have 18 years running a Dynamic Test Systems Dyno. Advanced engine management and design cert 4. Dyno Dynamics operators course at Frankston TAFE 12 years ago.

I haven't had that much to do with dyno comp vehicles, most of my customers are flat track, drag, 4X4 and street cars looing for optimum breadth of tune and driveability. My dyno dosen't allow me to compete on figures with DD dyno's and alike as it has no shootout modes or adjustable compensations beyond atmospheric compensations. I do tune the fastest and quickest VL on 98 octane with Street Et's. At 320 rwkW running 9.96 at 138.5 mph we are faster than others claiming 425 rwkW so I'm sure you can understand why I would ask. We are making in that vehicle 596 engine HP and both the MPH considering vehicle mass and the fuel used based on injector duty cycle fuel pressure ect add up to within 15 HP of each other. The internet is the souce of a lot of miss-information as well as information. I don't tend to run injectors at 100% duty cycle if it can be avoided. Personally I try to keep my injector duty cycles under 85% as this is recommended by the manufacturers of most injectors, as you would know you don't want any variation in flow rates at those HP figures. I was expecting you had probable upped the fuel pressure somewhat, I like to keep the fuel presure under 70 psi peak with high impedance injectors myself as I have seen some become unstable also.

Consumers tend to believe everything they read, there are guys with stock Coyote's claiming 350 rwkW on stock 335 engine kW engines, check you tube, it's a crock. I have no doubt you are acheiving what you claim and thank you for backing it up as there are many who can't and won't.

No harm meant just a question.

Cheers

[6BOOST]

The black dyno doesn't lie, and is the only true one I trust, however its hard/impossible with IRS cars, and small tyres cars in general to show their true potential on a black top dyno as rarely do you get an optimal pass, especially with big power. I'm not a fan of dyno figures, dyno queens and all the like, unfortunately that is what a lot of customers are interested in and shoot for, so as a workshop we obviously oblige.

I have heard of the VL you speak of, all I can say it it either doesn't have 98 in the tank, or weighs absolutely sweet f*ck all Stout achievement in anyones language. We went 10.0@129 on radials and E85 in Ollies VL, I know how hard it is.

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