curious Member 504 Member For: 21y 3m 5d Location: sun, beach and plenty of T T's Posted 23/12/03 01:29 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 01:29 AM Now dont start moanng about your encounter. If he wanted to he could have issued you a ticket. If he has given you a verbal warning then accept it. You have not denied the offence. I see more offences off duty than on, naturally everybody is in their natural driving mode. Most people are aware of what an unmarked car looks like too. Im not saying that I work 24/7 but when a fool comes up beside me coaxing for a drag and takes off at the lights with smokng tyres and doing 120 in a 60, there is nothing better then seeing him at the next set of lights with him staring at me. I then remove the badge from the pocket and press it on the glass and watch the jaw drop. I wind my window down and tell him ill see him tomorrow to give him a ticket.Basically you can be issued a ticket for a traffic offence within 12 months of the offence date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambo_12 Member 317 Member For: 21y 3m 23d Posted 23/12/03 01:34 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 01:34 AM So your saying, if a cop gives you a ticket and says, a year ago I saw you speeding down whatever street, you have to cop it sweet and have no argument, ie what took you so long, or are you just making an excuse to book me?Surely we have more rights than that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Member 504 Member For: 21y 3m 5d Location: sun, beach and plenty of T T's Posted 23/12/03 01:48 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 01:48 AM no, its not about rights. Its called the statute of limitations. That scenario is unlikely to happen but if warranted would. Im stating that just because you did not get pulled up doing the offence dont think your home and hosed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest blueXRT Guests Posted 23/12/03 02:31 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 02:31 AM CuriousI was not moaning about anything, as I said was just wondering if others had similar experiences. And for the record I did not deny nor acknowledge his claims I only answered YES to 2 questions: Do I own the vehicle and am I the regular driver?? The fact he asked these questions in my mind means he was not sure who was driving at the time of this apparent offence. That being said I would not be surprised that the law is such that the officer would not need to provide any evidence of the infrigement but it would be the owner of the vehicle who would need to prove it was not them driving at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi fordxr5turbodotcom Member 892 Member For: 21y 3m 28d Gender: Male Location: Point Cook, Vic Posted 23/12/03 02:40 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 02:40 AM First rule of engagement with police.... get out of the car and stand at the same level with him... do not let him stand over you at any stage, particularly when you have done nothing wrong...OOoooo just thinking about this makes me angry like Yosemite Sam! EDIT: Curious: Whilst I don't proclaim to be a knowledgable person of law, if a policeman decided it was time to hit you up for a previous offence (note: none took place today based on BlueXRT comments) then he'd have a bloody hard time making it swing in a court of law...It's ridiculous for you to even think it possible that someone can be booked and held accountable for a road offence (that involves being pulled over etc) that happened weeks / months before...Scenario (Policeman pulls you over):Police: 'I saw you down at the pub 2 weeks ago and I know you drove home intoxicated, hence I am issuing you with a DUI.'Me: 'I don't believe so officer, do you have any factual evidence?' I'd be impressed if you can convince me otherwise, as the above would be a blatant abuse of their position.ASDSDASDASKDJH! /me walks away from computer...(it's safer I stay quiet... to many injustices from being picked on when on my P's) Miyagi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aniken I don't suffer from insanity; I enjoy every minute of it Donating Members 4,316 Member For: 22y 1m 18d Gender: Male Location: Sydney, south west Posted 23/12/03 02:44 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 02:44 AM I would not be surprised that the law is such that the officer would not need to provide any evidence of the infrigementbut it would be the owner of the vehicle who would need to prove it was not them driving at the time? First part of above quote>> My understanding is that they need some evidence that an offence has been committed.Second part>> I think driving offences are 'strict liability' offences, which means the registered owner of the car is responsible for it at all times. The only way you can get out of the offence is to prove that someone else (ie. not the registered owner) was driving at the time.Perhaps the boys in blue might confirm this...Anyway, sounds like you got lucky this time - he has obviously seen your car on a previous occassion, remembered the plate (perhaps even written down details of what he saw), and happened to cross your path again while he was on-duty.BTW, I can't see any problem with what the cop did - if cops could only ticket/charge/arrest people at the time they actually did something wrong, no one would ever be caught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Member 504 Member For: 21y 3m 5d Location: sun, beach and plenty of T T's Posted 23/12/03 03:08 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 03:08 AM (edited) First rule of engagement with police.... get out of the car and stand at the same level with him... do not let him stand over you at any stage, particularly when you have done nothing wrong...OOoooo just thinking about this makes me angry like Yosemite Sam! EDIT: Curious: Whilst I don't proclaim to be a knowledgable person of law, if a policeman decided it was time to hit you up for a previous offence (note: none took place today based on BlueXRT comments) then he'd have a bloody hard time making it swing in a court of law...It's ridiculous for you to even think it possible that someone can be booked and held accountable for a road offence (that involves being pulled over etc) that happened weeks / months before...Scenario (Policeman pulls you over):Police: 'I saw you down at the pub 2 weeks ago and I know you drove home intoxicated, hence I am issuing you with a DUI.'Me: 'I don't believe so officer, do you have any factual evidence?' I'd be impressed if you can convince me otherwise, as the above would be a blatant abuse of their position.ASDSDASDASKDJH! /me walks away from computer...(it's safer I stay quiet... to many injustices from being picked on when on my P's) Miyagithink outside the circle. Tunnel vision wont help you here. Here is an example.Crossing lady reports offence regarding vehicle 123ABC and gives driver desription of running red light. She puts report to her boss who forwards it onto Dept of Transport. O/C dept forwards letter to O/C traffic Police as he cannot investigate. Time frame so far 2.5 weeks.O/C has mountains of paperwork due to incenceivable amount of idiot drivers and winger letters from people who recieved a speeding fine but was racing home as the ice-cream was melting so should be waived (true story). Complaint takes 1 week before assigned to individual officer for investigation. Finally it reaches me and I have to find time to take statement from crossing lady who wont give up time watching Ray Martin. Finally take statement and then search for idot driver. Find driver and interview who denies all knowledge of course.Time frame for total investigaton 3 weeks to 5 weeks. Now this is a local vehicle example, imagine if it was from a town 500km away and had to be forwarded on.As for D.Driving your correct but that's not what we have been talking about is it????????As for it holding up in court, been there done that.P platers.......ten foot tall and bullet proof then run off crying when they have learnt the hard wayBlue sorry was directing at you previously. I would put it down as a "we are watching" bet you will be mindful when you think about t again and looking over your shoulder, and that's the outcome Police have been trying to achieve Edited 23/12/03 03:22 AM by curious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NT TURBO Member 1,128 Member For: 21y 10m 23d Gender: Male Location: Darwin NT Posted 23/12/03 07:32 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 07:32 AM Is Plonky on hols or changed his name here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simmo Member 431 Member For: 21y 11m 28d Gender: Male Location: byron bay more underarm hair per square km Posted 23/12/03 08:01 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 08:01 AM book em danno!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi fordxr5turbodotcom Member 892 Member For: 21y 3m 28d Gender: Male Location: Point Cook, Vic Posted 23/12/03 08:30 AM Share Posted 23/12/03 08:30 AM Clearly our opinions are completely polarised. We'll continue this debate anyways... O/C has mountains of paperwork due to incenceivable amount of idiot drivers and winger letters from people who recieved a speeding fine but was racing home as the ice-cream was melting so should be waived (true story). Complaint takes 1 week before assigned to individual officer for investigation. Finally it reaches me and I have to find time to take statement from crossing lady who wont give up time watching Ray Martin. Finally take statement and then search for idot driver. Find driver and interview who denies all knowledge of course. Innocent until proven guilty? Ok so from what I gather you work for some road traffic authority.... You agree at the end that nothing can be done to the driver (even if he well and truly deserves it).. That said if it was a serious offence that was investigated then wouldn't they more likely come around to your house etc?As for D.Driving your correct but that's not what we have been talking about is it????????From my understanding we are relating to BlueXRT's experience this morning relating to typical 'pulled over by the police' traffic infringements... Based on this experience, one would see it reasonable that a similar infringement could not be chased up at a later date. Another example, if a policeman pulled me over claiming he got me for speeding 4 weeks ago after he zapped me on the radar (and didn't chase).. I'd think that he wouldn't have much chance in court.... too many variables and too long between the offence... As for it holding up in court, been there done that. IT would have to be more serious than a fine in the scope that is being discussed in this thread one would assume... P platers.......ten foot tall and bullet proof then run off crying when they have learnt the hard way Is this statement meant to stir me? In short that is a stereo f:censored:g typical view to take.... I've never preached to be special but I was never one of the MINORITY of P Platers that gave a bad name to the majority... get a clue..I have indeed gotten speeding fines before and am more than happy to wear the responsibility born of that.... but I do take offence to Police that simply picked on me in my high performance 89 EA Wagon (WHOA!!) just because I was a P Plater... I would put it down as a "we are watching" bet you will be mindful when you think about t again and looking over your shoulder, and that's the outcome Police have been trying to achieve Big brother is watching? I'm not refuting that there are a lot of idiot drivers on the streets, but your arguements are so emotionally charged and blasé that even in your apparent position of experience I simply don't believe that such cases wouldn't be defendable in court.... Debating such trivial things can be time consuming...My theory for the delight of BlueXRT... Possibly there was a similar car stolen recently in your area etc and that's why you were pulled over and given the verbal rough treatment and told to move on... :festive: Merry Christmas.Miyagi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now