Xcal 1 Going Offline Discussion

[genebaby]

Chris: Thanks, I think the other thread was shut down recently due to the threat Rob made against me, but you simply cannot discuss this issue at all over there, they will not hear of it.

Guys, the X1 wasn't shut down for not supporting ZF tuning, that's a stupid reason if that's what's been said. So it can't supuport the ZF, who cares? If you need ZF tuning then you buy the new one and if you have a manual you don't.

Most of you guys should know the real reason X1 was turned off by now? The real reason and saying it was due to ZF support are both equally lame.

[tab]

Not initially in the email announcement from Herrod to the workshops, but once they saw the backlash that's what was given as the justification.

[genebaby]

Wow, this box doesn't support ZF so we are going to kill it? Really? So the people with manuals, 4spds or for those that just don't care about doing anything to their ZF cause it is already good, what then?

That is just a line, nothing more. The real reasons, and I'm sure I read this somewhere as well, but it was told to me by a VERY reliable source, is that because the X1 box has security flaws some "people" have been able to use it in a way SCT did not intend. This isn't me or probably anyone on here, we just bought them for our one car.

Anyway, the way SCT decided to STOP "certain people" from doing what they were doing was to STOP EVERYONE from using this box. This is akin to MS deciding that because piracy in China is so bad that they will nullify everyone's current Windows licence around the world and the fix is to buy the latest Windows that they feel does not have the same flaws.

The thing to remember is that MS can't make you take that update if you know it's coming, but SCT put in a plan to have tuners register with them on a fairly frequent basis just to keep their tuning business going. This way you will get any update they want to give you wether you like it or not. This was obviously put into place to bring about the demise of the X1, which are still selling on Ebay as an awesome tuning tool mind you. It can also bring about the demise of the X2 and X3 in the future, should they feel like it.

So we all pay for the sins of a few. Who do you blame? Certainly the people doing the wrong thing have a part in this, but the heavy handed, blunt fisted way SCT have 'fixed" the hole makes them the most guilty in this scenario of taking something away from me that I used to have.

I can't beleive they posted on here finally after staying quiet for so long. Nothing to say about how they stole from us all like others have stolen from them? I and a lot of others want my tuning rights back please SCT.

That they are still for sale on Ebay to unsuspecting customers proves this has not been done correctly at all, it's dodgy to the max.

[genebaby]

SCT were just viewing this thread. Please tell me, as a manual BA owner how much I'm gonig to love ZF tuning and therefore why you stole from me? Explain why I need to give you more money? That would be a great honest truth.

[Worm]

It's bad business practice that's for sure...

I wonder how much the new distributor has made since the XCAL1 has become redundant?

As a general rule in business...

The manufacturer charges 1/4 of the retail price to the distributor.. Hence would be about $200 for Distributor from SCT...

They mark it up 100% to retailers...

And then retailers mark up 100% to consumers...

Ie.

Distributor pays $200

Retailer pays $400

Consumer pays $795

Hence the reason you can usually get so much of a discount on retail price... Except for when a company has THE whole market. Then they grab you by the balls and rape you...

[ratter]

This is what I posted on the other forum before it was closed down

$350 is somebody talking sh17!

I gaurantee you that no tuner is paying $350, if so please let me know who it is

You have aboslutely no idea about how much Herrods have put up

There is a lot more than Herrod buying a box in and putting a mark up on it.

Knowing how the Americans work, Herrods would have to purchase a minimum quantity and then a certain amount each year.

I have no idea how much but lets say he may have had to fork out a million dollars, just to purchase the boxes.

I assume they would be paying interest on the money

They have employed full time staff for customer support, that comes at a cost.

They would have to warehouse stock and have insurance in it.

They have to act as the australian arm of SCT and collect processor codes from new models as they are released, this would involve aquiring cars, having special equipment to be able to extract it and it would also take time.

I know that Rob has invested a lot of money in the ZF side of things to try to get it operating, including purchasing tran's, PCM's and valvebodies etc.

You do not have to use the SCT product, you have the choice of VCM suite which you will also have to pay for 2 licence credits to use it on your car or you can get Sniper.

Worm you may know about teaching but you are showing you have no idea about the motor trade, we do not make 100% mark up and in fact sometimes make very little, not even enough to cover credit card fees to purchase the parts.

We have people supply their own product because they have bought it from an ebay seller cheaper than we can buy stuff for.

I have no idea what Herrod pay for the X3's, it's not my business, I know what I pay and it is no where near what some are claiming. Everybody has a choice, you can use SCT,VCM Suite or Sniper to tune your late model falcon.

Although as tuners we can not do ZF tuning at this point, Herrods have been playing with it to get it happening for a while, The way I understand things is, apparantly there was limitations on the software which causing issues/conflicts etc while Xcal 1 was active with programming of the ZF stuff, this is the main reason it was shut off, so the progress could continue and Files could be sent, modified, downloaded etc.

[Jman]

I got caught out by SCT as they rolled out the redundant X1 boxes and had to leave my tuner with half a tune. Since then I've bought the X3, got my tune finished and drive around with the intention that ZF tuning isnt far away. Yet everytime I call Danny it's the same story as what Mick is saying "Still more time" "Conflicts, software problems.. yadayadayada"

If anyone wants a signature on a petition I'd be more than happy to help out.

[xcopbf]

look like ratter says you have a choice, if you are not happy let your money do the talking. I can assure you if everyone went and got vcm tune or sniper tune and stopped getting xcal boxes watch how cheap they get. but and a big but is if people do stop buying and herrods stop bringing them in watch how high the prices of vcm and sniper become. I don't know what they are paying for xcal boxes but in business the cheaper you pay and the more u can sell them for the more money you make.

[ratter]

Talking about ZF tuning is getting a little off topic, but we have to remember that the product will not be released until it is working correctlty. Imagine the screaming that would happen if the software was released and not working correctlty and it caused tranmission failures.

[genebaby]

Mick, you would know very well what a tuner does pay for a box as you're in the business. Believe me though the report of the box being sold for $350 cost is true. It was written on a forum but the person who posted it on AFF is very reliable and also a friend of mine. His friend who needed the box due to X1 being shut down was the one who got the deal. This apparently was not meant to get out as public knowledge. I don't think the other guy knows we know.

Guys, soon, and I've said that before, I may be calling on this and other forums where people are effected for numbers/help/$$$ who knows, to try and do something. There is a few thouasand or so Australians that have been stolen from by the Americans, and that sh*t is not on, to coin a phrase.