What To Spend My Suspension $$$ On

[Dillz]

Pat Ixnay on the truck nay... f*ckin

Edit was the f*ckin, for obvious reasons.

Edited 11/06/10 01:01 PM by Dillz

[Smoke them tyres]

Any updates?????

[mjadeb1984]

not from me waitin on a tax refund man.

[4DZILR]

just got quoted 1700 for pedders adjustable coilovers... cant wait for the tax man!!!!

[John-]

what do people mean when they say whitlines 20mm lower? arnt the sway bars just a bar they go across your car to hol dit goether? what do the sway ars have anything to do wih heigh?ceers.

[our06t]

whiteline do or used to make a very good range of springs , had them fitted to my BA

[bunna]

Also, remove the shims in the upper control arms to gain some more front camber (about -1.5 degrees). That will maximise camber and caster as some camber is lost when trying to increase caster with minimal or no shims fitted. About 1mm of toe in per side should do it with this camber.

You're assuming we put shims in for the fun of it? Unless you're super certain we built the front apron straight and the engine box square, and the subframe is square, then please don't go removing shim packs. You'll notice that the shims installed are rarely even at all 4 points as they're there to compensate for shifts in the body and subframe, not generically "increase castor". Otherwise you'll have a car that handles great in one direction, since it'll change lanes itself in less than 10 seconds.

[Smoke them tyres]

Done it with a wheel alignment....no problems. Tyre wear and life much better.

Wildly incorrect toe will usually cause unwanted direction changes.

I would hope the car is "square" when built on jigs in the factory.

[Smoke them tyres]

I run 2.5 degrees neg camber and double that in caster and 3.0mm toe per side. It does not tramline (the toe in combats it) and grip and wear is better across the whole tyre.

Besides, the movement of the rubber bushes under load makes a mockery of a static wheel alignment. I would team a good wheel alignment with poly bushes to at least make the car responsive and communicative to suspension changes.

A look here:

will surprise many.

Can't believe ordinary rubber is still the material of choice for all manufacturers, not just Ford.

Edited 04/07/10 10:25 AM by Smoke them tyres

[bunna]

Done it with a wheel alignment....no problems. Tyre wear and life much better.

Wildly incorrect toe will usually cause unwanted direction changes.

I would hope the car is "square" when built on jigs in the factory.

Hate to disappoint, but the only jig going on is the Irish bloke dancing in the corner.

Tell me - how did you do a wheel alignment without shims? Toe is not going to correct a x-castor imbalance (otherwise I'd be trying that on all the time - taking 60 seconds to do a toe alignment is much quicker than changing shims!)

Oh and lets be clear here - unwanted direction changes are not solely the domain of incorrect toe settings, although they don't help. X-castor has a big role to play in pulls and drifts. Assymetric toe will also result in SWOC (steering wheel off centre) and general vehicle "wandering".

Please understand I'm just trying to discourage joe average from going and removing his shims without understanding the consequences. Clearly you've thought out your goals, understod the system, and have accepted the outcome, and that's perfectly fine, and exactly how I'd approach a problem. Just trying to get all the info out there for everybody else - shims are there for a very good reason (if they weren't we wouldn't be wasting money putting them on!)