Borg Warner Turbo To Fg Xr6T Anyone Got?

[riki83]

Wondering if anyone has fitted a borg warner and what they think of it.

[senna_T]

Not sure of anyone fitting one to an FG, but the Plazmaman/Fernandez Racing team had one on their Superlap Car.

I've seen plenty on all different cars like Evo's, Skylines, 300ZXs, Mustangs etc etc - very popular in the states and they seem to get really good results.

[icer]

I hear good results from borg turbos too!

[riki83]

I think I would like to try one of these, like having a big turbo that's spools up quicker from what I understand

[fehlbie]

From tuners I have spoken too and from a few articles I have read the Borg warner units are technically more advanced than Garrett units. They boost quicker and have less lag.

[senna_T]

Only down side of Borg warner turbos that I have seen is that the physical size of them can be quite large - a Bullseye Performance turbo rated to say 800hp is around 9 inches across on the compressor housing side, this could make packaging difficult

[Ricky N]

I have had a play with a few Borgwarner ETT comp wheels and they are defiantly different in design then most other comp wheels. I still have a few of them sitting out at my old work.

As a theoretical look at the compressor maps they have lower surge limit’s and are more efficient at higher pressure rations.

They also have quite large turbines for the size of the compressor. They operate at much slower shaft speeds than the GT ball bearing stuff. This and the low surge limit is why they can have bigger turbines and not be supper laggy.

Still I think a lot of the hype we have been hearing over the last 4 years is just that. Hype!

I am a fan off the BorgWarner ETT turbos but they are not for every application.

They are better suited to higher boost levels. For this they are great because they are very efficient at high pressure ratios. Where a GT3076R will start producing a lot of compressor heat at 25+psi, an ETT S200 will continue to produce efficient boost and make lots more power up to 40+psi. (In a nut shell, you can run more boost without detonation) For this I think they are great. You can have a smaller ETT turbo, run higher boost levels and make the same power as a larger conventional turbo restricted to lower boost levels. This gives you a much wider power curve (More useable power). It also means you may not have to rev your engine as hard. Revs kill engines. Not boost (As long as an engine is tuned well and not detonating) High boost will do far less damage than high revs.

I am not buying into the hype that they spool quicker than other ball bearing turbos available. Boost for boost up to around 20psi give or take depending on the models being compared I believe the ball bearing options will boost faster. At high pressure ratios the most of the current BB turbos will still start to spool earlier but the BorgWarner ETT turbos will reach FULL boost faster due to them being more efficient at high pressure ratios.

When reading the stuff on the net have a look at what boost levels they are running when comparing the turbos.

I did see a very good back to back comparison recently of GT3076R vs ETT S200. Here's the link: Turbo shootout results: BW S256 vs GT3076R - Honda-Tech

Basically the GT3076R spooled faster at lower boost levels.

On the Turbo Falcon engines ask yourself how much boost you are going to run. If it is less than 20psi there is probably a Ball Bearing Turbo available that is better suited to your application.

Ps: I'd love to convert a ETT BorgWarner turbo into a ball bearing turbo to see how it goes

Edited 07/07/10 02:35 AM by Ricky N

[fehlbie]

Check out billet turbochargers. They produce exactly that, a Borgwarner ETT turbo with twin ball bearing core.

[Ricky N]

LOL! They are combos I came up with while working there.

They are ETT Borg comp wheels on Their Turbines and in their housings.

I would like to have a play with a complete ETT BorgWarner turbo.

[(BOOSTN)]

interesting read, the seem to be better in design..for big hp