Enough Is Enough

[dashturbo]

So does someone have a way to 'educate' the public in a way that your speeding can be justified?

I haven't seen a single solution, just a lot of winging about how not everyone that speeds dies. That isn't a reason.

We should speed because;

IBOO57 = 270km/h 'hit it regularly' and isn't dead.

NB4C = 20km/h over is okay in good weather and low traffic, but 200km/h is dangerous in any situation.

Mat = large cars can hit a roo at 100 and everyone doesn't die, if your 'responsible' its okay to speed?

Rootser = thinks I don't speed ( I said I have earlier, I just don't kid myself that its a good idea ). And because Police speed its okay for everyone else.

dule = not sure really, but the speed limit near him is annoying and would like the camera positioning revised.

Paulie = F=MxA is wrong. we need more driver education?

tab = speed is not a factor in crashes unless its 'excessive'. 5% of the people that die are not worth saving?

nang3 & tab & Dillz = speeding was made up for political popularity, they don't care about people dying, just your vote! unlike

Rootster = because its we are told not to exceed 50, its safe to do 50. (talk about lowest common denominator) your the person that you hate so much.

Did I sum up correctly?

should I send this to my local government representative? or does someone have a valid reason for going faster than a speed limit?

[Rootster]

I have no idea what your above post means.......Send it to who ever you want....doesn't make sense to me...You have your opinion and I have mine.....I never said safe speeding....its more about a safe speed...same but different......When you educate yourself on the difference...Come back and play...

[NB4C]

Dash, I don't think speed limits need to be fixed, nor vigorously enforced during good road conditions. In the States, people often travel at 70mph in 60mph zones all the time and cops don't care. It's all about the appropriate speed for the conditions.

Take the example of Montana Highway, fatalities increased with the introduction of artificially low speed limits. If you let drivers go at a comfortable pace, you'll smooth the flow of traffic and get less clumping of cars, less tail gating, and safer distances between cars. Faster drivers will choose the outer lane where they'll be with drivers traveling near the same speed. Less impatience = safer driving.

Montana - No Speed Limit Safety Paradox - 2001 UPDATE

Here is what the Montana data shows. (chart below) After all the politically correct safety programs were in place and fully operational, complete with federal safety funds, more laws and citations being issued. Here are the results.

1. After the new Speed Limits were established, interstates fatal accidents went up 111%. From a modern low of 27 with no daytime limits, to a new high of 56 fatal accidents with speed limits.

2. On interstates and federal primary highways combined, Montana went from a modern low of 101 with no daytime limits, to a new high of 143 fatal accidents with speed limits.

3. After a 6 year downward trend in the percentage of multiple vehicle accidents on its 2 lane primary highways, multiple vehicle accident rates increased again.

4. With the expectation of higher speed when there was no daytime limit, Montana’s seat belt usage was well above the national average on its highways without a primary law, lane and road courtesy increased, speeds remained relatively stable and fatal accidents dropped to a modern low. After the new limits, fatal accidents climbed to a modern high on these classifications of highway, road courtesy decreased and flow conflict accidents rose again.

Edited 08/04/10 06:06 AM by NB4C

[Guest XR09]

We smoke, we drink and we eat shoite. We ingest numerous lethal things knowingly and willingly We jump out of perfectly good aeroplanes. Cars are just another easy means. As to why? I got no idea. but I love it.

[ZAP]

Dash, you fail to realise the topic of the thread:

IT IS ABOUT SPEED ENFORCEMENT, not a debate on if it is safe to speed.

The ONLY way to educate the public is to make them better drivers. Make them learn the road rules, make them learn how to drive.

Somebody should take the RTA to court and prove that they are negligent in their duties by not notifying every licensed driver of changes to the rules.

Have you noticed that the Banks, Insurance companies, etc notify you in writing if any of the conditions of your loans, deposits, insurance, etc have changed ?

Why does the RTA not do it ?

Why do we not receive a new road rules booklet every other week when the RTA decides to change the rules, fines, etc ?

Did you know that in NSW if you get booked for over 20km/h you lose your license for 3 months automatically ? This is about the same punnishment as a mid range DUI offence, and if the points (4) tip you over the 12 point mark, you will get another 3 months.

I bet 99% of the drivers on our roads would not get more than 50% in a RTA knowledge or driving test that L & P platers need to complete.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM WITH OUR ROADS AND ROADTOLL, most drivers are idiots and cannot drive, they just steer and go baaaa baaa baaa as they drive along at or below the posted speedlimit thinking they are good and safe drivers.

Nobody here is saying that 200+km/h on public roads is safe or that it is ok to always speed. Read what is being written by people that bother to read the threads. The problem with this issue is that it is very hard to sway the popular opinion of speed kills.

[tab]

Way to go...can't win an argument with facts so just try and twist everyone's words way out of context. Good work, you should be a politician.

The fact remains that speed is not the huge problem it is made-out to be...there are so many other things that are worthy of the police force's attention. Why can't you see that?

[dashturbo]

I have no idea what your above post means.......Send it to who ever you want....doesn't make sense to me...You have your opinion and I have mine.....I never said safe speeding....its more about a safe speed...same but different......When you educate yourself on the difference...Come back and play...

so safe speeding is different to safe speed. I understand that.

The question is why should you or anyone else be allowed to go faster than a speed that is estimated to be safe?

If you have a "fair" reason the police or road authority will let you off every time, if they don't the magistrate in a court will.

If you propose a better way to set speed limits, bring it forward.

why set the speed limit at 60 and its only breaking the rules if your doing 70?

why not make the speed limit 70 in the first place and then there is no ambiguity about it.

[ZAP]

so safe speeding is different to safe speed. I understand that.

The question is why should you or anyone else be allowed to go faster than a speed that is estimated to be safe?

If you have a "fair" reason the police or road authority will let you off every time, if they don't the magistrate in a court will.

If you propose a better way to set speed limits, bring it forward.

why set the speed limit at 60 and its only breaking the rules if your doing 70?

why not make the speed limit 70 in the first place and then there is no ambiguity about it.

[Guest XR09]

I always thought the difference between foreplay and debauchery was using a feather.......or the whole chook!!!!

Seems like the powers that be are out of control and into hard leather and pool balls.

[Rootster]

Dash what do you want me to say...Safe speed...did you read my post about the kids at the fields...So I should drive through there at 50km....because that's the speed limit...and if a kid pops out..fark I wasn't speeding....Or use my head and experience on the road..and determine a safe speed for each seperate occasion...

The police force allows me to use my experience on the road for every other road rule....So why not what speed I deem to be safe (just in case it hasn't sunk in yet dash..that's not 200km)..Entering a intersection from a side street...probably more dangerous than speeding...but I'm allowed to use my experience on the road and enter when I feel its safe....

Only taking a guess, but would say 90% of road rules if not more.. well really all of them except the speed you choose to travel...the driver makes the decision...So why can't we make that one....

Zap are you sure it 20km over...3 months loss...or 30km over...last time I checked it was 30KM...