Four Killed In Horror Smash

[Iconic Bionic]

There dont need to be active actions where a collisson has to occur. With the advancements that now exist in camera technology, speed/red light camears, heavy vehicle camers by RTA, traffic monitoring and toll cameras can identify drivers of vehicles. Once the identify of a crook is known there is no need to chase him to the end of the earth or to a point where he crashes and kills a bunch of ppl. Pick him up when he next picks up his doll check or renews a licence if he actually had one.

Yeah there is frustration but we dont need laser beams to be fired at fleeing offenders, just open mindeness and embracement in technology that already exists.

And of course there frustrated at the powers to be, because they sit on there fat asses and do fark all, just like our state governemnt.

I.B.

Edited 21/03/10 11:49 AM by Iconic Bionic

[pharkit]

The crazy thing is he might not have got pulled over in the first place. It said police were doing 'traffic stops' in Queanbeyan, that means they were doing RBT's??

If so, do they even do rego checks on the cars they stop? I know they write down the plates but I dont think its checked out till later.

He shat his pants and gunned it which is what made them give chase. Go and kill a young couple and their newborn baby and for what? To impress his girlfriend that he's a 'bad boy' who can steal a car. Farkin idiot

[RegSpec]

Mate...if you drive through an RBT...be sure that they'll come after you, right here and right now....there's no "checking later"

They wouldn't take the chance that you've got false plates,the car is stolen or there's some other reason why you've done a runner....

There dont need to be active actions where a collision has to occur. With the advancements that now exist in camera technology, speed/red light cameras, heavy vehicle cameras by RTA, traffic monitoring and toll cameras can identify drivers of vehicles. Once the identity of a crook is known there is no need to chase him to the end of the earth

I.B.

So what your saying is that the police only have to follow an offender in a stolen car past a camera, then they can terminate a pursuit because they've got an ID. on him???

How do they know that he smiled for the camera??

With all due respect mate....you'd be mighty p*ssed if you let Australia's most wanted crim get away and the piccy wasn't good enough for a positive ID.

Edited 21/03/10 12:41 PM by BionicXR6T

[rockafellqeinstien]

you cant win either way. Once some one runs its fubar.

If you make it 15 years for running - I bet my arse 99% wont run unless they have just mudered or raped someone (biger problem than just running). And if they are dumb enough to run knowing they will get 15 years... well they deserve it.

As for the cost - I think you should make all prisons revenue nutral. ie that prisoners have to do work in their to cover the cost of their incarceration (and all their assest should be taken to cover any costs assosiated with the crime/apprehention/trial/imprisonment. If they refuse to work they get locked in a cell 24/7 with nothing else and only enough food to not starve. (exceptions for high risk/nut bags prisoners who should just be locked up with nothing).

[f-wolf]

Fury as family dies after high-speed police chase

March 22, 2010

At: Canberra police chase crash

[Dagabond]

Here come the spin doctors...

Criminal, speeding, stolen car...just wave and smile boys/girls, its wrong to apprehend a criminal....

[RHR]

Im sick of the blame being pointed in every other direction but the offending driver. Take out the element of Police and who would we blame then. The Police had no control of the other driver hence the reason why they terminated.

Say the driver wasnt being chased and still ran the red light and killed someone and he had just driven past the police. Would we blame his manner of driving on the Police just because he passed them.

Now to the people who think that there should be no pursuits. What if the driver of the vehicle was a sexual predator and had taken your young child and was intending on having their way with them. Would you be asking the police to help. Would you be angry if Police saw the car that the predator was driving and due to them not being able to pursue and Police made no attempt to stop the driver.

Yes its a tragedy but its the fault of the driver as he decided to steal the car, not stop for the police, speed to evade apprehension and run a red light.

[f-wolf]

March 22, 2010 9:37AM

Justin Williams had already put himself in coma after crashing stolen car

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Justin Williams had already put himself in coma after crashing stolen car | News.com.au

[Rudiger]

IB, obviously in the job.

Firstly guys. Statistics are useless. They can be used to prove anything. 56.5% of people know that.

Secondly, MOST police pursuits that end in injury/death end up that way either moments after it is abandoned, or prioor to the police getting the oppurtunity to abandon it.

You can give ALL the suggestions you like but 2 things. Until you sit your arse in a police car and experience the pressure yourself, you have NO right to make an assessment on what they should or shouldn't do. Second, there are far to many civil liberatarian, left wing pinko, political correctness fearing idiots who will put the kybosh and ANY policy that allows police to use ANY form of force, be it passive or active, in stopping a pursuit, given that it will/may save lives.

In my early days, I didn't mind a chase, but as I matured I feared away from them.

I also investigated incidents arising from them and to see how the police members reacted and HOW they were treated by the Ethical Standards Unit was criminal within itself.

I used to lecture to the Police Advanced Traffic Studies course in Victoria on Emergency Vehicle Provisions - Basically when police were justified to use light and siren. I quoted the case in WA when a blokes wife and kids were killed by a car being chased by police. Now the argument is always made, what if the guy bing chased is a murdered or an armed robber?

Well the standard I used to get these guys to apply was this:

If their girlfriend/mother/father/son/daughter was killed as a result of a police chase, what POSSIBLE reason could the police give that would justify their detah.

The answer, NONE.

In other words, there is NO justification for ANYONE getting killed or injuured as a result from a police pursuit.

That being said, as mentioned earlier, these inicidents almost always happen too quick for police to call it off. You see a car, ok well have him. Pull on the lights, blip the siren and oh sh1t, he is off. Is he going to stop, turns left, sh*t he isnt going to stop, lets back off.........sh1t, he just hit that car.

That's how easy and how quick it is.

I won't hide. I was a copper for 20 years. 10 years on the highways, 10 years investigating over 350 fatal collisions including police pursuit fatals.

The only answer? There is not a simple one, but if you have a few days and lots of coffee, we can discuss it.

Edited 22/03/10 12:22 AM by Rudiger

[f-wolf]

Rudiger ....