Radar Detectors <merged Topic>

[TheTaipan]

MY QUESTIONS:

1) Has anyone actually heard of anyone being caught by these radar detector detectors?

2) How do the radar detectors perform with laser speed detection (they have this capability - most anyway), any real life stories?

TIA.

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The most common radar detector detector is actually a second officer sitting in the car - most people forget (in their panic) to turn the detector off, meanwhile the officer back in the patrol car gives a blast of radio waves in the general direction of the other vehicle and the officer at the door hears the tell tale noise... gotcha...

I believe a portable unit is more advantagous as the police laws regarding a vehicle search are a lot more liberal than a personal body search - therefore if you are carrying the unit on your body it is far more difficult for them to find it.

I use the best radar detector I can get - cost me around $200, but so far has worked nearly every time, and is completely undetectable by the officers. You can buy them at OPSM, and Eyewear Now...

[Ford_Power]

Dave,

The RX65 is the best of the bunch... but only marginally. F6_Tornado is correct, the 980 is the poorest performer, but still a good unit.

ANY of those detectors I have listed earlier will give you more than adequate advanced radar warning.

Ross

[velociTy]

Ive got a belltronics xr600 paid $650 from Dick Smith .Its saved me a few times .But doesnt stand a chance against the hand held radar

[Blown BA]

But doesnt stand a chance against the hand held radar 

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Why not

[ZAP]

He might be referring to the LIDAR hand held units.

If the detector goes off with LIDAR, there is a 99% chance you are busted as LIDAR does not splatter the siginal like radar.

[Power]

Funny thing though, I've never heard of anyone caught by a radar detector-detector. Plenty by not hiding them and so on.

Despite the investment in technology, I wonder if it is really just an investment in public perception that you can't get away with it no matter what.

[Guest]

I'll be up for it mate, especially seeing as I'm in Perth aswell and they are LEGAL here. (ner ner eastern states)

Seems like a good deal and I'm never one to shirk an impulse buy

[dingah2]

Listen up you guys - these things are illegal and I can speak from a position of a past bitter experience...I wasn't even using mine but transporting somewhere for testing in a totally different application.....it's a bloody expensive business to get caught.

I am let us say 'close' to those that were involved in the design and manufacture of the detector-detectors too and believe me merely hiding it from sight achieves absolutely zip and your naiviety in believing so borders on the amusing...in all likelihood where some of you propose to hide the detector will likely make it even more detectable.

Not wanting to get into the Geek side of things all such detectors contain a local oscillator which is fundamental to their function. That means that they all 'bleed' a transmission back out of the front/rear horns regardless of the manudfacturers' claims and can all be detected, quite confidently by patrol cars so equipped - generally limited to highway patrol. So if you want to spend $500 to be fined $1500 with potential loss of licence then go for it, but this proposal is absolutely illegal and has a very questionable place on a public forum such as this. As for those knowingly seeking to import such goods for illegal use...stand by.

Dingah

[TRELO]

Mate, Bell won't ship to AUS, they just won't.....

Only place to get Bell and into Aus is from a US ebay store, and they have no warranty..

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I can buy them in Sydney .But they are the stealth ones hiiden behind the front bumper . Laser detector is also useless unless it has a laser jammer with it .

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Sorry, I'll clarify for those who don't understand.

Bell won't ship to Aus UNLESS your a recognised distributer. ie no go for average joe.

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What im saying is there IS an undercover dealer here in Sydney . He wont let you in unless you have called him before to say you where coming. He also checks out where you are calling from to make sure you are not dressed in Blue.

[F6_Tornado]

New South Wales

TRAFFIC ACT 1909 - SECT 4AD

4AD Sale, purchase and use of prohibited speed measuring evasion articles

(1) A person must not sell or offer for sale, or purchase, a prohibited speed measuring evasion article.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(2) A person must not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle or trailer to stand, on a road or road related area if a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(3) The owner of a motor vehicle or trailer which is driven or stands on a road or road related area in contravention of subsection (2) is guilty of an offence.

Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(4) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under this section if the defendant satisfies the court that the article concerned was not designed as a prohibited speed measuring evasion article but was designed for another purpose.

(5) It is a defence to a prosecution for an offence under subsection (2) or (3) if the defendant satisfies the court that, at the time of the alleged offence:

(a) the vehicle was in the course of a journey to a place appointed by a member of the police force, an officer of the Authority or a court, in order to surrender the article, or

(b) the vehicle was the subject of a notice, issued in accordance with the regulations, requiring the owner of the vehicle to remove the article from the vehicle within a specified time and that time had not expired, or © the defendant did not know, and in the circumstances could not reasonably be expected to have known, that the article concerned was fitted or applied to, or was being carried in, the vehicle

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TRAFFIC ACT 1909 - SECT 4AE

4AE Surrender and forfeiture of prohibited speed measuring evasion articles

(1) A police officer who reasonably believes that:

(a) a prohibited speed measuring evasion article is being sold or offered for sale in contravention of section

4AD (1), or

(b) a motor vehicle or trailer is standing or being driven in contravention of section 4AD (2) because of an article fitted or applied to, or carried in, the vehicle, may require a person in possession of the article to surrender it immediately to the police officer or, in the case of an article fitted or applied to a motor vehicle or trailer and not immediately removable, may by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle require the owner to surrender the article within a specified time and in a specified manner to the Commissioner of Police.

(2) An officer of the Authority who is authorised in writing by the Authority for the purposes of this section and who finds a prohibited speed measuring evasion article fitted or applied to, or carried in, a motor vehicle or trailer may, by notice in writing served on the owner of the vehicle, require the owner to do either or both of the following:

(a) remove the article (if it is fitted to the vehicle),

(b) surrender the article within a specified time and in a specified manner to the Commissioner of Police.

(3) A person must comply with a requirement under subsection (1) or (2), whether or not he or she is the owner of the article concerned. Maximum penalty: 20 penalty units.

(4) A court which finds an offence under section 4AD or under subsection (3) to have been proven against any person may order that the article concerned, if not already surrendered pursuant to a requirement under this section, be delivered to the Commissioner of Police within a time and in a manner specified by the court.

(5) An article surrendered as required under this section is thereby forfeited to the Crown and may be destroyed or otherwise disposed of at the direction of the Commissioner of Police.

(6) No liability attaches to any person on account of the surrender by the person, in pursuance of a requirement under this section, of a prohibited speed measuring evasion article of which that person is not the absolute owner

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TRAFFIC ACT 1909 - SECT 2

Definitions

Prohibited speed measuring evasion article means any device or substance that is designed, or apparently designed, to be fitted or applied to, or to be carried in, a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of detecting, interfering with, or reducing the effectiveness of, an approved speed measuring device, and includes a radar detecting device and a radar jamming device. Radar detecting device means a device designed or apparently designed to be fitted to or carried in a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of detecting electromagnetic radiations from an approved speed measuring device. Radar jamming device means a device designed or apparently designed to be fitted to or carried in a motor vehicle or trailer for the purpose of interfering with the receiving by an approved speed measuring device of reflected electromagnetic radiations.

VICTORIA

VICTORIA - (Road Safety Act 1986) 74. (1) A person must not own, sell, use or possess a device the sole or principal purpose of which is to prevent the effective use of a prescribed speed measuring device or to detect when a prescribed speed measuring device is being used.

Queensland

Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995

TRANSPORT OPERATIONS

(ROAD USE MANAGEMENT-ROAD RULES) REGULATION 1999

s 224

Transport Operations (Road Use Management-Road Rules) Regulation 1999

s 225

Using radar detectors and similar devices

225. (1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle has in or on it-

(a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device; or

(b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device.

Maximum penalty-40 penalty units.

(2) Subsection (1) applies to a device whether or not the device is operating or in working order.

Western Australia.

There are no laws against radar detectors or laser detectors in Western Australia.

South Australia

SOUTH AUSTRALIA - (Road Traffic Act 1961- May 2 1996 Reprint) 53B. (1) A person must not-(a) sell, offer for sale or use a radar detector or jammer; or(b) drive a motor vehicle that contains a radar detector or jammer

TASMANIA

Traffic (Road Rules) Regulations 1999

REGULATION 225 PART 13 - LIGHTS AND WARNING DEVICES

Division 3 - Horns and radar detectors

Using radar detectors and similar devices225.

(1) A person must not drive a vehicle if the vehicle has in or on it a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device, or a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device, unless the person is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction.

Penalty: Fine not exceeding 10 penalty units.Note: Drive includes be in control of &SHY; see the definition in the dictionary.(2) Subrule (1) applies whether or not the device is operating or in working order.

Note: Under the law of this jurisdiction, radar detectors and similar devices may be subject to confiscation &SHY; see rule rule 354.REGULATION 354

PART 22 - LOCAL ROAD RULES

Note 1

The rules in this Part are not part of the national scheme. They apply only in Tasmania.

Division 1 - Powers of police officers and authorised personsSeizure of detection devices

354. (1) A police officer or authorised person who has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is equipped with a detection device may &SHY;(a) enter and search the motor vehicle; and(b) doing as little damage as possible in the circumstances, seize any device that appears to the police officer or authorised person to be a detection device; and© cause any device so seized to be tested; and(d) cause any device so seized to be produced in court as evidence in any proceedings under rule 225.

Note 1: Authorised person and police officer are defined in the dictionary.

Note 2: Rule 225 makes it an offence to drive a vehicle having a detection device.(2) If a person is convicted of an offence under rule 225 the detection device to which the offence relates is forfeited to the Crown.(3) In this rule,"detection device" means &SHY;(a) a device for preventing the effective use of a speed measuring device; or(b) a device for detecting the use of a speed measuring device.Start of valid time period for this component: 01 Dec 1999

End of valid time period for this component: 29 Nov 2009

Australian Capital Territory

A.C.T. - MOTOR TRAFFIC ACT 1936 - SECT 164G

Sale, purchase or use of radar detectors and jammers164G.

(1) A person shall not use, sell or offer for sale, or purchase, a radar detecting device or a radar jamming device.(2) A person shall not drive a motor vehicle, or cause a motor vehicle to stand, on a public street or in a public place if the vehicle is fitted with or is carrying a radar detecting device or a radar jamming device.

NORTHERN TERRITORY

NORTHERN TERRITORY OF AUSTRALIA

TRAFFIC REGULATIONS

PART 2 – TRAFFIC RULES THAT APPLY IN TERRITORY

Division 8 – Other road rules

27. Interfering with traffic infringement detection device

(1) A person must not unlawfully tamper with, interfere with or cause damage to a traffic infringement detection device.

(2) A person must not unlawfully interfere with the operation of a traffic infringement detection device.

(3) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for preventing the effective operation of a traffic infringement detection device.

(4) A person must not drive a vehicle that has in it or on it a device for detecting whether a traffic infringement detection device is in operation in the vicinity of the vehicle.

(5) A person commits an offence against subregulation (3) or (4) whether or not the device in or on the vehicle is in use.

(6) If a member of the Police Force believes on reasonable grounds that a person has, or a vehicle is fitted with, a device that is intended to be used in contravention of this regulation, the member may seize the device for the purposes of tendering it in evidence in a prosecution of the person.

(7) If a person is found guilty of an offence against this regulation, the court may order a device seized under subregulation (6), or a device used in the commission of the offence, to be forfeited to the Territory.

Edited 08/06/05 10:33 PM by F6_Tornado