old rev head Member 17 Member For: 14y 10m 14d Posted 11/02/10 02:45 AM Share Posted 11/02/10 02:45 AM Hi all.I did a search but didn't really find an answer to my questions.I'm looking at buying a FG ute either XR6T or XR8 manual. Cost will be the same.I do plan to modify it mildly and was after some feedback from people that have done it before. I already have a skyline race car and a silvia drift car so I'm around turbos a lot but on smaller engines. What is the rough cost to get either car to 300rwkw’s? Would I be right in assuming the turbo would be cheaper?I will be towing motorbike trailers and car trailers with car (about 2000kg’s total. I know it’s above the manual towing but I don’t care) so has anybody have comments about the towing capabilities of both cars? I'll probably be getting a heavy duty tow pack aftermarket.If you are going to tow 2000kl then buy the V8 that's what it's designed for, turbo's, although capable will not like pulling that much weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timmy Massive Tool Donating Members 567 Member For: 16y 3m 10d Gender: Male Posted 11/02/10 10:01 AM Share Posted 11/02/10 10:01 AM Is the reason the manuals cant tow as much because fraud dont think the shtty stock clutch would be up to the task warranty wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 7m 28d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 11/02/10 11:04 AM Share Posted 11/02/10 11:04 AM Pretty much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngman13 Member 22 Member For: 16y 1m 11d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 08/03/10 02:06 AM Share Posted 08/03/10 02:06 AM standard clutch and 2t towing just dont mix unfortunately... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockafellqeinstien Member 325 Member For: 16y 5m Posted 09/03/10 12:08 AM Share Posted 09/03/10 12:08 AM you'd be suprised what you can tow with the manual -very suprised. Little slip in first then once locked up its fine, but I can see why ford put the lower limit - when owners wives drive them hey honey, just move the car and trailer forward..................whats that smell?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notorious benny Member 54 Member For: 16y 4m 25d Posted 12/03/10 08:16 AM Share Posted 12/03/10 08:16 AM (edited) I tow a big ski boat around with my Turbo all the time.Why would it hurt the turbo being on boost??? Arent they designed to run on boost?? What do you guys think is happening to the turbo's in a 50 tonne semi? Of course they are always on boost!!Just give it a few minutes when you pull up to cool the oil down before shutting down and its all good.I love being able to overtake and tackle any hills without slowing down, sure beats towing with a POS turbo diesel 4x4!! The only thing I do is leave it in 5th gear for headwinds and hills to save the gearbox/clutch. Edited 12/03/10 08:20 AM by notorious benny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 7m 28d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 12/03/10 11:17 PM Share Posted 12/03/10 11:17 PM Turbo in a passenger vehicle vs. turbo in a prime mover designed around hauling loads is hardly a fair comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngman13 Member 22 Member For: 16y 1m 11d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 13/03/10 01:54 AM Share Posted 13/03/10 01:54 AM Easy enough to get the same horsepower as a prime mover but a bit tougher to get the torque Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notorious benny Member 54 Member For: 16y 4m 25d Posted 13/03/10 05:07 AM Share Posted 13/03/10 05:07 AM (edited) Turbo in a passenger vehicle vs. turbo in a prime mover designed around hauling loads is hardly a fair comparison. A turbo is a turbo......... As long as the bearings dont overheat or starve for oil.......If it wasnt up to the task Ford would de-rate the Turbo's tow capcity compared to the V8's. My owners manual says 1600kg for the manual and 2300 kgs for the auto. Exactly the same as the V8's. (For FG models)When towing my boat the turbo is barely spooled most of the time anyway. It works a bit harder getting up to speed or overtaking, but that's about it. Just did a 1200kay round trip across the hay plains in the middle of February heat with the 1600kg boat and a full car...... the car handled it easily, in fact I would argue that the fat torque curve of the turbo would be far superior as a tow car than the weedy V8 torque curve.I would say the clutch is going to be the first driveline component to show any adverse affects from towing, not the engine or the turbo. So far that's been fine as well, even when pulling the boat out of the water (3 or 4 times a week in summer!). The big six has so much torque that it will pull the boat out with less than 1000 on the tach, so the clutch dosnt cop very much abuse at all.As for the OP wanting to tow above the 1600kg rating I would advise him to do so at his own risk. If you have an accident and are found to be towing above your vheicles rated capacity you can kiss any insurance payout bye bye. They car can probably handle it but can your wallet?? Edited 13/03/10 05:20 AM by notorious benny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 7m 28d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 13/03/10 05:24 AM Share Posted 13/03/10 05:24 AM I'm far from a mechanic but I understand the point is not the turbo itself, but rather the fact that you're using forced induction to 'imitate' a higher displacement engine.Yeah they are perfect for it with their high torque with minimal fuss, but as for longevity I'm not so sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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