Nsw - Speed & Red Light Camera Combo

[MICKAJ]

To have effective road safety programs like here in Vic they need a funding source, the best source is cameras. Cameras are and always will be the ultimate user pays funding source. Some fines are debatable, but there is never a good reason to run a red.

[ENVI.BA]

  On 28/12/2009 at 4:45 AM, ravenhard said:

no flash but got worried and googled it...

SYD: New Red Light & Speed Cameras ! [locations] - A place for all Ralliart Colt Enthusiasts

the first one on list is exactly the intersection I am worried about.

Actually Im more worried that if I loose my licence, I have an agreement with the old handbrake I would sell my car as she reckons it encourages me to speed...

I did the same thing daydreaming and human error.. thought I saw the camera go off I was doing around 10-15k over the limit with another car in the intersection too and I havnt had anything in the mail yet and that was 2 months ago.

I just hope all these new licence raping cameras have the speed limit posted on the warning signs. The amount of times where you drive through a mixed speed zone where it changes two speed zones with a school zone in between and have to guess what the speed is annoys the hell out of me. Thank god for ABS and insurance cos people are gonna need it.

[pharkit]

  On 05/01/2010 at 3:40 AM, XR09 said:

Where do you guys get these figures of the Gov themselves blaming the roads. I have to read reams of their sh*t and never once have I seen it say it was due to the roads. They say "conditions" Not the road.

Some one from the opposition does not count, they are not in a place to fix it and wont when they become the power. They are protected by parliamentary privilege. Which means they can say what ever they want and do not have to accept responsibility for it.

I am not saying that our roads are good. Their crap. You try riding a bike on them.

At least in Vic they can fix a pothole close to being flush with the road surface. Here in QLD if its close to 50mm over it's a good job. And then by 12pm the next day its back to hot mix and the first truck over them empty all the crap and make the hole worse.

It's from the National Road Safety Strategy, an initiative started by the Howard Government with the support of the State Governments. It's a 10 year strategy aimed at reducing Australia's road tolls by 40%. A goal which cannot be achieved because the Government refuses to address the main killer on our roads... The roads themselves.

National Road Safety Strategy

Road Safety - Australian Automobile Association

And from this link:

How to Save Lives

" By comparison with driver behaviour and vehicle safety, which are well understood, motorists’ concept of a safe road is barely developed. Motorists tend to think in terms of surface condition, pot holes and upkeep, and certainly not in terms of other features of a road, such as duplication (where opposing traffic flows are separated), sealed shoulders (as distinct from gravel shoulders) or trees too close to the road, all of which are shown by research to affect the safety of a road.

Research underpinning Australia’s National Road Safety Strategy shows that nearly half of Australia's targeted improvement in road trauma can be achieved by upgrading Australia’s roads.

Roads are more important in road safety than most people think."

  On 04/01/2010 at 10:47 PM, ravenhard said:

its pretty rough comparing us Aussie roads to US roads. Compare NSW to California. Cali has half the area, 5 times the population and The Terminator as governor whereas we have a half yank/half aussie chick who will be here today gone by the next election.

Driver education is the key IMHO. Our L plate and P plates are a joke. Proper driver training embedded in school would help heaps.

Actually I was comparing California with NSW. The roads of these two states are in different leagues. I guess it helps when America put 100% of their fuel tax straight back into road maintenance while our Government only puts back 25%.

  On 06/01/2010 at 5:45 AM, ENVI.BA said:

I did the same thing daydreaming and human error.. thought I saw the camera go off I was doing around 10-15k over the limit with another car in the intersection too and I havnt had anything in the mail yet and that was 2 months ago.

I just hope all these new licence raping cameras have the speed limit posted on the warning signs. The amount of times where you drive through a mixed speed zone where it changes two speed zones with a school zone in between and have to guess what the speed is annoys the hell out of me. Thank god for ABS and insurance cos people are gonna need it.

I got in a cab yesterday and the cabbie reckons he saw that Habberfield camera go off about 2-3 weeks ago. He didnt know why it went off since the light was green. God I hope he's wrong.

*Sorry for multi-posting*

[Iconic Bionic]

  On 11/01/2010 at 7:11 AM, pharkit said:

It's from the National Road Safety Strategy, an initiative started by the Howard Government with the support of the State Governments. It's a 10 year strategy aimed at reducing Australia's road tolls by 40%. A goal which cannot be achieved because the Government refuses to address the main killer on our roads... The roads themselves.

Roads are more important in road safety than most people think."

Yes, the road safe 2010 goal is likely to come up short when they add there numbers up this year some time.

And the mian killer on our roads remains speeding, drink driving and fatigue driving. No matter what condition our roads are in or there design will change this.

There are only 3 factors in any crash, Driver, vehicle and environmental (roads as one small part). Whys is it that we choose so easily to blame the roads, the government and other ppl instead of ourselves.

I.B.

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[pharkit]

Right...

So your opinion overrides the findings of Government research now??

LOL

In the time it took you to write that BRILLIANT comment you could've read the conclusions of the National Road Safety Strategy and seen in plain english that it states 50% of the deaths on our roads are directly attributable to the conditions of the roads.

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[tab]

Keep it civil bitches

IB...maybe your "Location:Sydney Freeways" explains why you think our roads are so good!

[Guest XR09]

The findings you have put up are correct. But they are funded, at best by the government. And overseen by an adviser to the minister who is advised by people like myself. Who put the time and effort in each week, on our own time, For nothing.

We spend days writing up reports and thesis every month. Only to see little change, except to what we put forward and even worse road fatalities every year. Why? because we care, and because I would rather try, than sit on my ass and winge.

Remember we only hear about the fatalities. There are worse things than dying. Would you like to be 35 and cant even wipe your own ass? To sit there a dribbling mess? Not even able to change the channel on the telly?

The roads are not going to change any time soon ok. that's a fact. So, it's up to you. What are you going to do about "now" ?

Please if you don't care about yourself, at least think of your kids or the life you hope to have.

No one is a natural, and the best still need to practise.

It's not hard to do a course and it is a great day. They are very well set up and you don't have to go out of your comfort zone if you don't want too. They really are a fun day and you laugh a lot. And hopefully learn something. Possibly even save one life.

[pharkit]

I'm all for it. I did some sort of driver's defensive course and while it was a bit of a "shock tactic" strategy I still came away with a lot.

In regards to your other comments I don't see why we shouldn't be peeved when the buck is constantly passed back onto the motorists, that was my only point, and not an unreasonable one considering the picture the stats paint. These are people's lives were talking about. Putting up cameras that penalise bad behaviour after the fact is not the answer. By their own admission it's the condition/layout of the roads.

A recent article on theage.com.au

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[tpinto]

Sorry fellas, but talking about a " storm in a teacup". Does it really matter if the red light cameras are now also speed cameras? just do the right thing on the roads and you will not have anything to worry about and for those that are losing valuable sleep over this issue of pending DOOM then just go out to any store that sells GPS systems and they will also sell fixed speed and red light warning GPS devices from as little as $130 that can be updated and will give you a warning from as far as 500 meter away from the camera if you wish. The high end ones also having school zones, Bus lane cameras and town entry warnings and they are legal all over Australia. My red light/ speed camera zones for NSW were updated over 3 weeks ago and last week got another update on red light cameras that are to be converted.

Just on a foot note,who here realizes that speeding up to going through an orange light or not making an attempt to stop at one if there is time to do so carries exactly the same penalty as that of going through a red light? I didnt untill 2 years ago when I got booked for doing just that. And the offence?" disobeying traffic lights." If you ask me we should all be grateful that the camera flashes on the red and not the orange.

[dule]

Been driving for a while past one of the new cameras and from what I hear from people it has been hard at work but personally I think the thing has made the intersection mode dangerous then it was before.

For some reason I use-to always pay extra attention at this intersection and when going through I would always look for people running reds or turning right and was prepared to slam the brake. But now I'm more concerned about the speed I'm doing that I'm looking at the speedo more then I am at the road since it's a little down hill and it's very easy to go 5 over the limit. So if one of these idiots decides to turn right in front of me I'll be doing less then 70 but will hit the brakes a little later then I would previously and I thing the end result would be worse.

Now if you add constant fear of these cameras people will be looking for those pissy little signs before each intersection not to much attention will be paid the road.

I'm 100% against running red lights and speeding through intersections is very dangerous sometimes but these thing should have a bit of slack to allow for maybe up to 5kmh over the limit to remove some of the paranoia people have with speed cameras which would allow them to concentrate more on the road.

You will wash off a lot more then 5kmh if you hit the brakes half a second earlier.

Edited 12/01/10 11:20 PM by dule