Who Wants To See A Real Production Series.

[Guest XR09]

Remember the good old days where they raced cars pretty much off the factory floor. Put in a cage, a bit wider radials and away they go.

The benefits to the factories must have been huge in research and development.

The bragging rights to the public were priceless.

You could have all manufacturers running. Some thing like power to weight ratio plus a weight penalty for price p/w+$ penalty.

What we have now with the V8 supercars is good, but they are so far from what we drive it's not funny. Do you know the commy has 400mm shorter back doors to cope with the shorter wheel base it has in race mode to have parity with the ford. All good but what good does it do us.

Would ford use a drive shaft with the torsion bearing of a pretzel if it was on telly and left sitting on the start line. I doubt it. Would the general use a rear end that tramped like your mother if it kept losing races.

It could only be a win win for us. And maybe then we would have the world class cars we know we can build and deserve.

Why has every top race team in the world got an aussie in it.

Because we can build the best.

[Dagabond]

There are a number of production car race series..s... they just aren't televised or promoted as heavily as the supercars...

[Guest XR09]

Yep I know I am a the track a lot

that's what I meant by who wants to see.

But they dont have them set up right. As in p/w + price. I am thinking like a one field race handicapped by the buy in dollar. Not who won the last race, who's turn is it now.

Not a race with 6 catagories. and only 16 to 20 cars in it.

And yep backed by the factories.

We have it in bikes, even 600cc world supersport class is pretty stock, compared to say the liter class or moto gp. And it's the best catagory to watch for the purist.

The end result is you can go to your local dealer and buy a bike that can with a few adjustments of the clickers and preload go racing with the best. It's a very big deal to the motorcycle industry and the factories are right behind it as well as the dearlers.

Back to the good old days of win on sunday sell on monday.

Edited 26/11/09 07:36 AM by XR09

[Guest XR09]

Sorry yes I am a dickhead

In rereading it I guess I have answered the question

As if ford or Expensive Daewoo would enter to see thier cars flogged by cheaper imports

[HIRO F6]

There's a reason why V8's is our premier class of Motorsport. It comes down to alot of hard work and promoting. I dont think AVESCO deserves to have that taken off them. If it wasnt for their efforts we'd be watching sh*tty 2L's with FWD.

I agree, the formula is starting to get a little long in the tooth, but im sure over the next 5 years with the Car of Tomorrow to be released things will get rejuvenated. With manufacturers withdrawing from motorsport across the globe, lets hope V8's can buck that trend and encourage at least another 2 to enter the V8 game.

Is production car racing the future? In my opinion, not a chance!

[tmac450]

Couldn't disagree more. Production car racing is far from dead, and would open up the sport's interest to a far wider auduence who'll tune in to see how their car goes, etc. It also prompts manufactuers to develop sport/HO models to be competitive.

Just because production car isn't promoted to the enth degree V8 Supercars is, doesn't mean it won't attract viewers.

The biggest hurdle is, Ford and Expensive Daewoo won't want to see their cars flogged by imports, nore can they afford to develop models that are capable of doing two laps of a track before falling appart (not a criticism, just fact).

That's why a Group C type category with modified production cars could be one option to look at. It can still be a V8 sedan class, and minimum weights could be set. It is dooable, and is far more beneficial for the sport, viewers and manufacturers.

[SuckSqueezeBangBlow]

there was an interesting report on TV a few weeks ago about how v8 supercars isn't profitable for anyone anymore. I knew people were losing interest (I've never been interested), but I didn't know it was definitely going down the toilet financially.

[dashturbo]

nore can they afford to develop models that are capable of doing two laps of a track before falling appart (not a criticism, just fact).

are you serious? I've done 25,000km on mine.. guess what? it hasn't fallen apart.. That is the most absurd reason I have ever heard for the lack of a good production car racing series.

which "fact" are you quoting with that comment? not a single Ford or Expensive Daewoo being able to cover two laps of any race course in the entire world? sounds like a complete bull S%#t criticism to me.

:biggun:

[seduced]

^Were those 25,000kms done at full tilt? Didn;t think so...

Think about your own car. A fast strap up and down a mountain road will see your brakes go squishy, your clutch spongy or your auto will begin to complain during shifts, your under bonnet temps will climb rapidly, your intercooler is heat soaked, the interior floor is hot from the exhaust, the steering is feeling heavy, the radiator is now struggling to keep it all cool and you've only just started to get excited.

Now how long do you think parts will last under these circumstances? A full 6 hours flat out? Sure two laps will be no probs, but after that, they will begin to fail. Ask any turbo owner who has done track work, you get about 5 or 6 laps in and you have to stop to let it all cool or otherwise risk failure of parts. Remember the days of HSVs power steering pumps bleeding in protest after 2-3 laps? These cars are simply not design to withstand the stress of track work. Don't forget that even the FPV R-Spec shares the same power-steering pump as your everyday taxi....

Production series would be great, but expect to pay $100k plus for a factory race-spec car.

Edited 30/11/09 05:55 AM by seduced

[BarKer]

Couldn't disagree more. Production car racing is far from dead, and would open up the sport's interest to a far wider auduence who'll tune in to see how their car goes, etc. It also prompts manufactuers to develop sport/HO models to be competitive.

Just because production car isn't promoted to the enth degree V8 Supercars is, doesn't mean it won't attract viewers.

The biggest hurdle is, Ford and Expensive Daewoo won't want to see their cars flogged by imports, nore can they afford to develop models that are capable of doing two laps of a track before falling appart (not a criticism, just fact).

That's why a Group C type category with modified production cars could be one option to look at. It can still be a V8 sedan class, and minimum weights could be set. It is dooable, and is far more beneficial for the sport, viewers and manufacturers.

Overall, the Australian public is not interested in production racing.. Granted there will be fans etc but no way in the world to make it a viable proposition for any large sponsor or TV network.. Money counts and the only money for local car racing in Oz is the supercars...

P.S. not saying that is a good thing