Emissions Trading Scheme (Tax)

[Buf-Phoon]

death to climate change deniers. Kevin 747 , Penny Wrong and Batman ( Peter Garrett ) have spoken

How dare you dispute their opinions farkin

[tab]

Funny how times change, a few decades ago all the experts were predicting a global freezing and famine from food shortages etc...

EARTH DAY 1970 PREDICTIONS:

“We have about five more years at the outside to do something.” • Kenneth Watt, ecologist

“Civilization will end within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action is taken against problems facing mankind.” • George Wald, Harvard Biologist

“We are in an environmental crisis which threatens the survival of this nation, and of the world as a suitable place of human

habitation.” • Barry Commoner, Washington University biologist

“Man must stop pollution and conserve his resources, not merely to enhance existence but to save the race from intolerable deterioration and possible extinction.” • New York Times editorial, the day after the first Earth Day

“Population will inevitably and completely outstrip whatever small increases in food supplies we make. The death rate will increase until at least 100-200 million people per year will be starving to death during the next ten years.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“By…[1975] some experts feel that food shortages will have escalated the present level of world hunger and starvation into famines of unbelievable proportions. Other experts, more optimistic, think the ultimate food-population collision will not occur until the decade of the 1980s.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“It is already too late to avoid mass starvation.” • Denis Hayes, chief organizer for Earth Day

“Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions….By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine.” • Peter Gunter, professor, North Texas State University

“Scientists have solid experimental and theoretical evidence to support…the following predictions: In a decade, urban dwellers will have to wear gas masks to survive air pollution…by 1985 air pollution will have reduced the amount of sunlight reaching earth by one half….” • Life Magazine, January 1970

“At the present rate of nitrogen buildup, it’s only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.” • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Air pollution…is certainly going to take hundreds of thousands of lives in the next few years alone.” • Paul Ehrlich, Stanford University biologist

“We are prospecting for the very last of our resources and using up the nonrenewable things many times faster than we are finding new ones.” • Martin Litton, Sierra Club director

“By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate…that there won’t be any more crude oil. You’ll drive up to the pump and say, `Fill ‘er up, buddy,’ and he’ll say, `I am very sorry, there isn’t any.’” • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

“Dr. S. Dillon Ripley, secretary of the Smithsonian Institute, believes that in 25 years, somewhere between 75 and 80 percent of all the species of living animals will be extinct.” • Sen. Gaylord Nelson

“The world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.” • Kenneth Watt, Ecologist

From...

Earth Day: There’s a sucker born every minute & Al Gore will take all his money.

Full article...

Earth Day, Then and Now - Reason Magazine

[Dillz]

Moral of the story is that just because you are elected to run the country doesn't mean you know any more than the average Joe blow walkin down the street. All it says is that the majority of Australians are morons because they voted for your dumb arse in the first place.

[Guest XR09]

And here I was still worried about fluro carbons and aerosoles creating holes in the atmosphere.

maybe if we go back to the old gas in our aircons and turn them up flat out and tag everything we see and can reach with the window down while driving as hard as we can in first ..... we will create a hole big enough for all this carbon to go out of then no problem. lmfho

As for us not making much damage being only 22 mil ever been to hay point QLD or even driven through Gladstone to mackay, out to Nebo or Moranbah ??? The coal trains do not stop and they are end to end. A continuous circle from the mine to the warfs.

We might not be burning it but we supply the shoite in bucket loads.

Ironically if we are doing this to the planet, and I have no idea as they cant even get tomorrows weather right, but if we are.

Then ironically we should be using better fuels. Cleaner, more powerful, less waste and cheaper. And funnily we have it and we not only have it we have one of the worlds biggest and cleanest deposits of it. pound for pound its the cheapest to proccess, cleanest on the planet and by far the most powerful.

NUCLEAR

[Dillz]

Mate your gramma is horrible and I have no idea what you talking about.

[Guest XR09]

My granma is beautiful and said your gay

It's our export coal that is contributing to the dilema of global warming. We sell it too these developing and developed nations. We supply the majority of China's coal.

We have one of the worlds, if not the worlds biggest supply of uranium. It is the cheapest, cleanest and most powerful fuel we have. Yet we don't use it.

I dont know why we worry. We will kill ourselves off way before we kill the planet

[Dillz]

Any moron can regurgitate what they see on the news, do you actually have any idea what your talking about??

Edited 18/12/09 09:47 AM by Dillz

[Guest XR09]

What part of that was on the news ????

I worked in the mines for telstra for a year doing thier optical fibre network. I watched the trains all day every day.

My best mates father in law is John Prescott. And I have shared many a bottle of red with him on this subject.

[dule]

Sorry to bring the painfull subject back but been hearing something on the news in the last couple of days and can't get over it...

APARENTL?Y our power bills are going up and one of the reason is because ETS was shelved. Wasn't is supposed to be other way arround? Does anyone know WTF is going on?

And please let's not start another political debate. Just interested in facts regarding ETS and power bills (if anyone is informed).

[Buf-Phoon]

Power bills are going up nation wide and is not the fault of the Federal Goverment, more price gouging from providers.

Completely unrelated to the ETS or lack there of

That said the Federal Cabinet are meeting today for the last time ahead of an announcement of an election.

Expect promises on some sort of carbon tax to be implemented in 2012 if they get re-elected.

In short bills will go up even further due to those sinister and evil coal burning power stations having to be punished, as they are

destroying our poor planet.

Now back to some nice robust political discussion