Buf-Phoon loitering with intent Lifetime Members 13,318 Member For: 21y 6m 15d Gender: Male Location: Zombie Birdhouse Posted 26/11/09 01:48 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 01:48 AM The deabate rages, or does it ? Do the great unwashed understand that which will be more than likely be legislated by weeks end ?This is another tax, on top of the GST. Cost of fuel, groceries, electricity, cars etc WILL go up.Will China , India , USA , Central and South America etc all fall to the knees of the Toxic Garden Gnome's piece meal legislationsupported by his best advocate Malcom Talkbull ? The mighty Australian has spoken on behalf of his alleged mandate, the world shall succumb.BTW this is a multiple choice pollFarkinWe are going to be raped. Brace yourselvesLove Kevin UN and that Kent Paul, Farkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
our06t Mmmmm......BOOST Member 3,135 Member For: 17y 10m 7d Gender: Male Location: central coast Posted 26/11/09 01:53 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 01:53 AM (edited) cmon Jules you can afford it ,think of the children Edited 26/11/09 01:55 AM by our06t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 10m 9d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 26/11/09 01:55 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 01:55 AM Looking for the "biggest scandle of all time" option.It's an absolute fckin disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NB4C Member 328 Member For: 16y 1m 20d Gender: Male Location: Sydney Posted 26/11/09 01:57 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 01:57 AM (edited) This will cost Australian jobs, as the CO2 emitting operations will just move overseas. Enough of this green bullsh1t, how about spending more time on infrastructure improvements ?In order to get more support, Labour is sucking up to the Greens. Edited 26/11/09 01:59 AM by NB4C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TURBO4LT Member 1,533 Member For: 21y 6m 17d Gender: Male Location: NSW Posted 26/11/09 03:47 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 03:47 AM Its a worry if Australia go it alone its pointless and will hurt us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregor Member 459 Member For: 16y 6m 13d Posted 26/11/09 04:43 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 04:43 AM agree with the previous post. I don't mind trying not to wreck the place but if the major players don't make a big effort it is pointless and will only hurt us. Rudd had to force this through now before copenhagen presumably to get a few pats on the back but I can't see a good reason to pass it before we see what the big guys are going to do. A few months will make no difference. I'm not really convinced about the whole man made climate change thing anyway but to introduce a new tax before any other country is a bit rough. Might have something to do with the debt from the stimulus?Between the clean feed and this crap Rudd isn't looking good for my vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuckSqueezeBangBlow ʎǝʞuoɯ ɹoıuǝs Donating Members 1,808 Member For: 16y 2m 18d Gender: Male Posted 26/11/09 09:03 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 09:03 AM Australia should be investing into new green technologies instead, selling the ideas overseas and putting this money into a future fund. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aiboart Member 665 Member For: 20y 1m 19d Posted 26/11/09 10:10 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 10:10 AM (edited) Scientific opinion is an oxymoron. Think about it. Science begins when opinions ends and testing starts. The opinion of 900 world respected scientists, or 9,000 scientists or 9 million scientists is worth nothing when compared to the results of one single experiment. The last time the West had opinion triumph over experimental results we had the Dark Ages. That was a time when the Clergy (Greens) stood on the pulpit (media) and decried the heretics (global warming denier) and ran the tax on sin (carbon emissions) called the Indulgence (Carbon Credit). Yep it is a new religion being born before your eyes with dire threats of extermination if you do not pay the priests the temple offering. In the case of the so called human induced global warming there is no experiment as such just a bunch of measurements onto which are grafted endless almost arbitrary correction factors. The correction factors are not strictly arbitrary because they are there primarily to make certain the data comes out the way it should, I.e. the data comes out in a forms that ensures the next research grant comes in - from the government - which is of course driving the new emission trading tax. For the scientists it is a case of make the data show human global warming exists or else you are and idiot and your out of a job and a career.With respect to planetary geophysics, computer modeling, sea level rises, global thermal history, global atomosphic compositions, extinctions, flora diversity yada yada, here are some interesting facts that you can research for yourself sea level rises and falls occur at staggering frequency in the geological record - and that is just from the data we have at hand now. More data means we can see even higher frequency events.global warming and cooling events are same same, staggering frequency of climate change that gets even more frequent with more data.the earth is alive and evolving and emitting staggering amounts of material, and a good portion of that material is carbon dioxide. a staggering amount of the material is basalt which forms the ocean bottom. The oceans are being created and destroyed. There are several new seas in creation in the middle east and you can see the form on any map or globe of the area.global currents are pivotal to the earth's climate. There are also very fickle and can change or reroute with a single tectonic event or landslip. the emissions from a volcanoes dwarf all human activity combined. Just measure the volumes of any major volcano on Google, then remember there is potentially thousands of cubic km of magma sitting under that rock pimple. Now remember a percentage of those cubic km are carbon dioxide. the mid ocean ridge is essentially a volcano 23,000 km long and 2km high, it dwarfs the point volcanoes. the air is in a sense the light fraction of magma, it is in fact the gasses that separate from magma at low surface pressures. the magnetic poles collapse rapidly and then rebuild rapidly in the reverse direction.Regards,aa Edited 26/11/09 10:13 AM by aiboart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tab Sucker Moderating Team 32,303 Member For: 20y 10m 9d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 26/11/09 10:16 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 10:16 AM Best way I've ever seen it put....real shame the facts aren't emotive enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seventytwo Still have a turbo, it's just on a diesel. Lifetime Members 5,368 Member For: 19y 7m 27d Gender: Male Location: The 8th Dimension Posted 26/11/09 10:31 AM Share Posted 26/11/09 10:31 AM While I believe man made global warming has yet to be proven and they are using some very shaky science to prop up their arguments and it uccurs naturally in the Earth's warming and cooling cycle.Controlling our pollution output is a good thing, as I dont think we want to end up like China, where wholesale pollution is rampant and uncheckedIt comes down to do you want to live in a place where you can still breath the air or live in a place where breathing will kill you, I think it might be worth the few extra dollars to pay for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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