Vitamin Tablets

[smicky]

Ok... thanks for the advice guys, but without getting into details - simple thing is I will be taking the tablets again - one way or another...

So really looking for info on those that have/are taking some sort of supplement...

Yes sleep is part of my problem I know - and anyone on here often enough that see my 4 and 5 am posts know what im like...

anyways... the whole fruit and veg thing... well... no comment...

All ill say is 6'2" and in a healthy weight range with no real health issues, plenty of sport, milk, (normally sleep... lucky to get 3 hrs at the moment ) has never done me wrong... tests every 1/4 just to make sure and well im still kicking gents!!!

No problem on spending 30$-40$ or whatever for a bottle of 50/60 tablets or whatever... small price to pay to cheat for a few months again I guess...

Anyone else taking anything, or can recommend?

Not looking to get buff, and hit the gym 5 nights a week or anything - just about all round extra little something... to give me a bit of a boost!

(Please keep this legal as well - I have NO INTEREST WHAT SO EVER IN OTHER FORMS SUCH AS POWER SUBSTANCES, OR HOME MADE TABLETS... THAT CRAPS EASY TO GET - BUT CRAZY MAN STUFF, AND NOT MY BAD BABY)!!!

BTW - our06t... mate ill keep backing MT, its simple - out of all his 'currently' the best man for the job simple as that... his experienced and knows his stuff.... not going down the path of another lib v's lab thread... so over it... but ill tell u this much - when (not if, but yes, when) he goes, Joe will be taking over... (little secret for you my friend)... his just not ready to do so yet... that's all ill be saying for now!

If some crazy thing happens between now and then - and he is walked (which I highly doubt) then we will see... but the 'next true leader of the libs will be Joe'....

Edited 26/11/09 02:49 AM by smicky

[our06t]

just havin a stab smicky ,he maybe the best man here for the job but as far as I'm concerned none of them from any party at the top level have what it takes to help this country

Edited 26/11/09 03:09 AM by our06t

[smicky]

all good mate, didnt take it personally or seriously- I only do that when im in the offices of a certain group in Williams St East Sydney... Not mention any party names!!!

So back to TABLETS PEOPLE!!!! TABLETS????

And that was TABLETS, NOT TABS....

God help us!!!

[our06t]

tried having a look on the choice website , think you have join up to get proper feedback but at least it will be an unbiased opinion , The whole health industry is quite dodgy with no real evidence to back most claims made.

[Guest XR09]

Mate

multi vites are crap. Unless you are putting in what you are lacking. Do you know what you are lacking. And your body cant always get rid of the excess minerals in your system that these crappy pills put in you.

You can do DAMAGE having excess minerals in your system !!!!!!!

Get your blood work done. Different blood groups need more or less of certain minerals and vitamens. Also different blood groups get more from say a salad than cooked vege or visa versa. Never boil anything soft. as in beans peas so forth, yes to spuds and pumpkin cauli they are hard vege and release thier nutrients cooked where soft quick cook vege lose all thier goodness in water.

Start your day with fresh fruit and water. Not juice!!!!!!!! or coffee big no no. And by start I mean have an orange and a banana and a water. For example. You can have watermelon and banana, whateva just try and have at least two colours. Just have the fruit and a glass of water and wait 20 min before going the Mc muffin

Fruit will only be able to give you what you need on an empty stomach. If you have a coffee first your body is already in reject mode.

Fresh fruit on an empty stomach will kick start your metabalism and then your body is tuned and set to take on what it needs and reject what it does not need.

Then you can have the bacon and egg roll or what ever you want. And no worries. Your body has been tuned by the fruit and has the capability to chose what it needs.

You wake up dehydrated, Coffee is a diaretic, ( it makes you more dehydrated ) Not good.

Juice... juice striat away will not mix in the right ratio with your digestive juices. It will flood your system and your body will apply the auto choke and it will not take in any of the nuitreints your trying to shove in.

An orange has the perfect amount of juice and nutrients to mix the right ratio of digestive juices to tune you to 400kw at the heels if you get my drift. LOL

Sleep... you brain burns at least 25% of the total energy you use a day. Now when it's not getting the right food it does not work well at all. You get antsy, edgy it wants but it does not know what it wants, hence no sleep... brain not stopping things going through your mind while you are trying to shut it down. It's lacking energy and it wants it. that's why it's keepinig you awake. Like how bad do you need a nap after a huge graze.

A real simple analogy is like this. You have an empty fuel tank. You have a can of 100 ron and a can of used crappy motor oil. You know the 100 ron is the way to go but you love the taste of the used crappy engine oil. So you stuff that in first. Then you think I better be good so I am going to put in twice the normal amount of 100 ron today. ........ get my point the 100 ron will never get to where it's needed as the crappy used motor oil has stuffed all your injectors so the 100 ron cant get in. It went in the tank fine.... but it just cant get to where it's needed

It wont happen over night but you will feel it in a week try it what have you got to lose.

Ps after a week of doing this you will feel sleepy all the time, that will last about another week or two depending on how bad and how long you have been abusing your system.

Pps an iridoligist can tell you by looking at your eyes axactly what your body is lacking and has too much of, every doctor in europe has to do iridoligy as well as thier prac med.

Ppps I hate hippies and tree huggers. I am not a gym junkie. I am 48 and still can race dirt bikes and road and I get very little time to train. I row around Noosa waters once a day at best. So I am no he man. But I have had to get through both dengy and ross river, and this was the only way.

Edited 26/11/09 05:11 AM by XR09

[pharkit]

Whatever you choose stay away from the crap in the supermarkets/chemists. They really are a waste of money. They have so much binder and rubbish that very little of the good stuff gets absorbed into the system. Theyve dont tests that show about 80% of those "supermarket" brands pretty much pass through your body intact. Fish oil, which is meant to be good for blood circulation, joints, brain activity is good to have as a supplement as well. But Blackmores for instance, has really high levels of mercury in their fish oil because they purchase low grade fish. So while youll get some of the benefits, the mercury will do damage to your nervous system! The more reputable brands will only purchase fish that live in certain oceans and which have very little mercury contamination.

I also tried nutriway for about 6 months, one of the few (if only) vitamins where theyve extracted the liquid from the original fruit/vegetable so that the tablets (u gotta take 6 a day!) is sort of like having a tonne of healthy stuff compressed, not just the essential part. I got a real boost of energy taking those. But apparently the long term benefits plateau after a few months.

I look at it like this, youd think nothing of spending $5-$6 dollars a day on a newspaper and a coffee. So the same investment in something that is actually good for you is a bit of a no-brainer.

[BFHOON]

have alook at isatest.

good mix of vit and min plus a massive testosterone boost.

[wiresquire]

I've taken multi-vitamins/multi-minerals for >20 years. It decreased how often I got colds/flu's and also how serious they were. As mentioned above, I viewed them as plugging any gaps in diet. I used to look at all the ingredients of them, and now I CBF. If it says multi-vitamin/mineral, and it's the cheapest, I'll buy it. Cenovis from Woolies is usually cheapest.

Some of these can taste a bit funny if they repeat on you. I think of it as a Vitamin B taste which always reminds me a bit of vegemite. You might need to try a few to see what suits you. Those that have the plastic type coating *might* be better if you find the straight ones with no coating hard to handle.

And remember to not piss in the pool.

But these won't add anything to lose fat, or add muscle or whatever. Look for protein to do that as part of a diet. Optimum 100% protein whey is well regarded.

ws

Disclaimer: wiresquire is not a doctor and recommends you seek medical advice before doing anything - even breathing.

Edited 27/11/09 12:39 AM by wiresquire

[hypnodoc]

Sorry xr09. Believing in the bloodwork thing is like believing in astrology, no real scientific evidence anywhere to back up any of that nonsense. Food is food, it either has nutrients in it or it is processed crap.

Smicky if your only getting 3 hours sleep a day it is not a lack of vitamins or minerals that are causing your problem why don't you just eat an apple every day, then you are going to get all the vitamins and minerals you need. Anyone on here with a high PSA prostate count try two apples a day (they don't have to be double price organic apples either) and see how long your PSA stays high. There is a lot of truth in the old adage an apple a day keeps the doctor away.

Big Pharma began this nonsense via Parke Davis with Myadec in the 60s, they let the market rise up and have now bought most of the vitamin companies. Unless you are suffering from malnutrition or scurvy its multi billion dollar market based on an emotional crock and most of the vitamins are synthetic anyway and therefore can't be uptaken by the body, and all of the vitamins in the world WILL NOT prevent cancer, that myth arose from Linus Paulings work that showed MASSIVE amounts of vitamin C could have a mild oxidative effect on some tumerous cancers.

Clean water, sunshine, sleep, and low stress are the key to good health. But these days for too many people that formula is an idealism. Go to an MD and you will leave with a prescription that costs you between $50 and $100, go to a Naturopath (most of whom think they are neurosurgeons after a 3 year course)and you leave with $100 - $400 worth of herbs and essences etc (trust me my wife is one and she and her colleauges are all the same).

Leave things alone and keep a good diet with some fruit and veges in it and you stay healthy anyway. After all "The Only Thing Human Beings Ever Cured Was Fish and Bacon."

[smicky]

Cheers guys...

As for the whole fruit and veg thing, well... that's where yet again this idea has come to mind...

Very simply - for those that have not met me....

Smicky is 6'2" - between 70-85kgs (sometimes a little over when im being a lazy bastard)...

At the moment (due to work/business and family situation)... Stressed, short sleep, little sun (compared to the near black Arab that I am typically at summer), and well funny enough have NOT eaten Fruit or Veg's since I was 4yo's.... Bloods every 3 months as the olds are paranoid, yet not once ever had any issues (yet - touching wood)...

GP, and Dietitians, have all said there is no evidence that I am really lacking in anything as such... 25+ yrs of the same situation, and have still grown is more then enough evidence to see that I have not had any issues... Plenty of Milk, cereals, Red and White meats, eggs, Water, and still kicking on...

No real health issues, exception to stress related minor heart attack earlier this year.... (oh and I may have been about 5-7kgs over recommended BMI at the time)...

The tablets are a option where I want to try something out (different) again and see if there might be a little 'helping hand' for the current lack of sleep, relaxation, sport, blah blah - I understand its not a substitute as such, however more an assistant - that's all...

And NO there is NO chance ill be cooking up a plate of boiled peas, with cabbage, and little green trees.... NO apples, or anything of the likes!