smicky Go Pies!!! Donating Members 2,852 Member For: 16y 9m 13d Gender: Male Location: Vic Somewhere - Sometimes NSW Posted 20/10/09 07:52 AM Share Posted 20/10/09 07:52 AM If the test is giving such huge result increases - why dont we all just simply run out and use E85 in our tanks?Its cheaper - ssssooooo much more power... surly we would get some sort of increase from running a stock tune as well - the ECU matches timing etc when running 95/98 etc and adjusts accordingly...Question is - would it manage this same process with E85?(I honestly dont know - hence my question, and yes I know its a stock tune so probably not a noticeable difference)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benji_vs Donating Members 403 Member For: 16y 6m 23d Gender: Male Location: East Suburbs Melbourne Posted 20/10/09 08:23 AM Share Posted 20/10/09 08:23 AM I think the car would run it out of the pump but would need a tune done to make use of the extra ignition advance the fuel would allow.Plus I read that it can corrode fuel lines but only for older cars I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dashturbo Donating Members 280 Member For: 16y 3m 22d Gender: Male Location: Watsonia Posted 20/10/09 09:27 AM Share Posted 20/10/09 09:27 AM YIKES!!ATTENTION!!!!guys don't ever put E85 in your falcons... its not the fuel lines or tanks that are the issue. Its other stuff, including the temperature of the burn, so exhaust valves and rings get destroyed, and catalytic converters and likely the turbo would be damaged.I'm not making any of this up. A company called Orbital did testing of 10 percent and 20 percent ethanol (E10 and E20) with many different cars ( as commissioned by the howard government ). The results were far from good, if anyone is interested I can locate a link to the report. basically the insides of a few vehicles were destroyed, the pistons overheated and melted on both.That is why its limited to E10 is in most outlets. The law changed so that NEW cars have to be able to run on E10, hence the stickers on the fuel flap of any new car. (E10 compatible). It is not of any benefit to run your cars on it, the RON figure is higher when ethanol is used but water also makes the RON higher, its only a measure of how difficult it is to combust, not a measure of energy in the fuel.I would love to see a copy of the street machine article, were they running the same boost on all three tests? There is no reason Ethanol should increase the power, in the best circumstance the power loss is minimal, but that would be if the engine was designed for ethanol...the only reason the supercars run it is to increase its "Green" credentials...Ethanol sucks, no food for fuel...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Member 1,869 Member For: 21y 3m 24d Gender: Male Location: Newcastle Posted 20/10/09 10:11 AM Share Posted 20/10/09 10:11 AM (edited) From what I've read and learnt Ethanol is a hydrocarbon, but it also has alcohol in it and chemically contains oxygen. As a result it adds oxygen chemically to the combustion cycle making more power.This is at a cost of economy though.Benny Edited 20/10/09 10:12 AM by Benny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicky Go Pies!!! Donating Members 2,852 Member For: 16y 9m 13d Gender: Male Location: Vic Somewhere - Sometimes NSW Posted 20/10/09 10:50 AM Share Posted 20/10/09 10:50 AM Car Bibles : The Fuel and Engine Bible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pharkit Donating Members 251 Member For: 17y 4m 25d Gender: Male Posted 20/10/09 03:15 PM Share Posted 20/10/09 03:15 PM YIKES!!...if anyone is interested I can locate a link to the report. Could you please post up the link if you know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino1980 09JET Member 1,510 Member For: 15y 5m 10d Gender: Male Location: E. Maitland Posted 20/10/09 07:30 PM Share Posted 20/10/09 07:30 PM YIKES!!ATTENTION!!!!guys don't ever put E85 in your falcons... its not the fuel lines or tanks that are the issue. Its other stuff, including the temperature of the burn, so exhaust valves and rings get destroyed, and catalytic converters and likely the turbo would be damaged.I'm not making any of this up. A company called Orbital did testing of 10 percent and 20 percent ethanol (E10 and E20) with many different cars ( as commissioned by the howard government ). The results were far from good, if anyone is interested I can locate a link to the report. basically the insides of a few vehicles were destroyed, the pistons overheated and melted on both.That is why its limited to E10 is in most outlets. The law changed so that NEW cars have to be able to run on E10, hence the stickers on the fuel flap of any new car. (E10 compatible). It is not of any benefit to run your cars on it, the RON figure is higher when ethanol is used but water also makes the RON higher, its only a measure of how difficult it is to combust, not a measure of energy in the fuel.I would love to see a copy of the street machine article, were they running the same boost on all three tests? There is no reason Ethanol should increase the power, in the best circumstance the power loss is minimal, but that would be if the engine was designed for ethanol...the only reason the supercars run it is to increase its "Green" credentials...Ethanol sucks, no food for fuel......Hang on. Doesn't the addition of alcohol to fuel REDUCE combustion chamber temperatures? Is that not why alcohol fueled drag cars get away with not having a cooling system, they take so long to get hot? Ethanol, is not THAT different to Methanol and it's been in use for years in racing. All the guys I know who run never complain about burnt valves etc. The only thing they whinge about is melted pistons, but that happens with big HP, huge compression and ridiculous timing, and stinging eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boost69 Donating Members 737 Member For: 19y 6m 11d Posted 23/10/09 04:49 AM Share Posted 23/10/09 04:49 AM Guys I got an email from Ford Australia stating the following...Thank you for your e-mail to Ford Motor Company of Australia Limited (Ford Australia).We do not recommend this fuel for any vehicle. We have not done any testing on E85, and recommend that only ULP fuel containing a maximum of 10% ethanol(E10) is used in our recent vehicles.We hope this helps you, and thank you for taking the time to contact Ford Australia. Kind regards, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berzerker Donating Members 767 Member For: 16y 11m 9d Gender: Male Location: Brisbane Posted 23/10/09 01:42 PM Share Posted 23/10/09 01:42 PM We do not recommend this fuel for any vehicle. We have not done any testing on E85Still I guess doesnt mean it will be bad, just means they cannot say. It would be years, and would have to be pretty much offered at most servos for them to even consider testing or/then recommending the E85. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venom XR6 Member 1,460 Member For: 21y 7m 4d Location: Geelong Victoria Posted 24/10/09 12:44 AM Share Posted 24/10/09 12:44 AM Exactly. There are about 4-5 servos Australia wide that sell it, so why would Ford care?Expensive Daewoo will soon release E85 compatible Commodores and hope that more servos start selling it, but they are barking up the wrong tree if they think servos will follow suit and start rolling it out everywhere. I guess they think the sun shines out of their arse and everyone will do as they say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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