RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 07/01/10 04:39 AM Author Share Posted 07/01/10 04:39 AM no fault codes logged.... I really hope its the coils Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 8m 4d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 07/01/10 05:23 AM Share Posted 07/01/10 05:23 AM the flash box will only read OBD2 specific codes as per most generic type readers, there may be codes there that require a proper scan tool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 07/01/10 05:55 AM Author Share Posted 07/01/10 05:55 AM cheers ratter, I just got off the phone from both dave (blueboost) and brad from atomic and they seem to think it might be something to do with the VCT. Brad seems pretty confident it isn't the solenoids or the phasors, rather the sensors at the back of the head. All so the O2 sensor is still a maybe. But I really need to a scanner on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 07/01/10 12:58 PM Author Share Posted 07/01/10 12:58 PM Shes a Goer!!!! WhoohoooHow? I don't exactly know. Before I started her again I went through and checked the rear sensors on the cams and pulled out the exhaust one and have it a bit of a clean. I also grabbed mattyb's six coils and o2 sensor. Well I put the six fresh coils in and the problem has disappeared... for curiosity sake I put the old coils back in and now its still running fine...So there's a couple of conclusions to this... 1--- The problems was the little bit of crap I cleaned off the end of the end of the sensor or when I pulled it out and saw if it was still magnetic (variable reluctance sensors) and also if it would output a mV signal when the bolt the secured it was placed and removed from the magnetic face, which it did. So I don't know if this woke the sensor up at all The second conclusion, I might have disturbed something and masked a problem that might return.Or I just thought of a Third (I know I said 2) Starting the car and re-energising sensors have helped some how. Or starting the car has released a sticky VCT solenoid (electrically operated/controls oil pressure to the phasors....I believe)Im still going to stick a scanner on the ute to be sure .... and isn't that a battle... I went to a local trusted mech and he had one but was too busy and very short of people... and then went to the local ford and left thinking I shouldn't have wasted my time (stupid w@nker$) but I had a thought.... There is a diesel pump and injector place in town... believe it or not they are the only people with a dyno....yes its for tuning diesels mainly for 4x4s!!! But thought what the hell and went in and asked if they had an OBD II scanner and they did! And were only too happy to help and plug it in when I could bring it around. These guys are also flat out and short of people but were just a good bunch of blokes.So yeah, very happy that shes on the road again and I will hopefully take her for a long strap tomorrow and start the run in process... so far she runs and accelerates great without being on boost (under 3 psi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 09/01/10 01:18 AM Author Share Posted 09/01/10 01:18 AM Well the dramas continue....Long story short. The missing problem is still there and it seems it is a inlet cam actuator (OCV) The reason I could drive it is I had left a cam angle sensor connector of which as a result disables VCT I think and from what I'm told it will fully advance the timing. So the present fault with every thing connected is P1381 CAMSHAFT POSITION TIMING OVER ADVANCED (I6 INTAKE CAM, V8 BANK 1).The service manual says that the mechanical cause would be the cam shaft is installed incorrectly however I'm thinking that's not the case seeing as it runs with out VCT. With the guide of the service manual I've completely checked the OCV and Cam Angle circuitry for continuity back to their circuit origins with no faults found.After talking to Dave (who gave up 1/2 an hour of his Friday night - thanks mate!) he thinks that it could be a failed or stuck OCV as he has come across something similar. So my next step is to get in contact with Brad from atomic and see if can send me up an OCV unit.All of this is a very good learning exercise... however its starting to wear me down... I do control circuit fault finding every day as a lecky but fault findings these things without the right tools or people (ie a tuner nearby) is very time consuming and frustrating , thumbs up to you guys that do this for a living Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 09/01/10 01:24 AM Author Share Posted 09/01/10 01:24 AM On a positive note my plenum should be here next week.... I can't wait to pi$$ off the crossover and the nizpro piping, every time I pull it off and put it back on it sh!ts me so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 8m 4d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 09/01/10 01:31 AM Share Posted 09/01/10 01:31 AM just a question, do you still have the original head and rocker bridges fitted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 09/01/10 01:55 AM Author Share Posted 09/01/10 01:55 AM The head is the same with the only thing to be changed I believe are the valve springs. Are you thinking that the OCV isn't getting supplied with oil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratter Member 6,793 Member For: 18y 8m 4d Gender: Male Location: @ my laptop Posted 09/01/10 02:02 AM Share Posted 09/01/10 02:02 AM Not quite, but I know of 1 car that had a rebuild and them had issues and it turned out during the rebuild a different rocker bridges was fitted. these rocker bridges are machined to suit the head and swapping in this case led to the cam running tight when it got warm and this affected cam positioning, took a long long time to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUS531 RUS531 Donating Members 410 Member For: 18y 5m 11d Gender: Male Location: Emerald QLD Posted 09/01/10 10:31 AM Author Share Posted 09/01/10 10:31 AM After I bit of a chat today with brad from atomic I was going down the path of pull the OCV out and see if I could borrow one from MattyB's car seeing how it is out of action. This would only be possible if they were the same type seeing how ford changed them somewhere between the BA and BF. Anywhy pulled out my intake one and this is what I found...you may have to click on the image to see it properlyOn the last set of valves you can see some crap and a bit of red thread... I have forward this on to brad to see what he makes of it. I pulled out the exhaust OCV for good measure and cleaned them both with some CO contact cleaner.Put them back in and bobs your uncle the problem is gone.Apparently some models have the filter you can see in the picture and some don't. I'm lucky in this case because this may have led to a stuck phaser if there was no filter which would be a pain to fix and would most likely be out of my skill range.*******************************************************************************---FYI--- Extract from the Ford Workshop Service GuideThe camshaft timing is controlled by directing oil circuits. under pressure (from the engine oil pump) into one of two ports in the Phaser, one port will retard the cam timing (‘Retard port’) and the other will advance the timing (‘Advance port’). An Oil Control Valve (OCV), one for each camshaft is used to control the flow of oil into the retard and advance ports of both cams. The OCV is controlled by the PCM.*******************************************************************************So now on monday I will take it into town and get the guys at the diesel place to put their scanner on it again and hopefully there are no more DTCs stored.On another note I cannot say enough about both Brad and Dave for their help. Brad for his customer service and willingness to help you sort any issues out, and as for Dave I haven't even gone up to see him for tuning yet but he has constantly been willing to help with advice. Two thumbs up for both of them.Also thanks to the guys who have left comments and thrown advice my way, its been very much appreciated, and hopefully the problem is now cleared.CheersCameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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