Polish / Wax, Whats Best

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"Nope, you're wrong....and I'm not going to tell you why."

What's the point of that post?

[Chich]

  On 07/10/2009 at 7:40 AM, DjGsTa said:

sorry but that advice is horrible!

And why is that....?? Know something I don't?

[wiresquire]

Probably a bit late to post, but.... on the various silver colours, I don't think it necessarily needs to have a 'deep' look to it to look great.

I've seen some photos somewhere of silver cars finished with optimum products. They looked hot - like they were totally dripping wet. From memory, they were finished with Optimum Poli-Seal aka OPS and the Optimum Car Wax, aka OCW.

hth

ws

Note: ws is not affiliated with optimum.

[wiresquire]

Follow up; found the forums.

Check the porsche in here.

Drool:

ws

[Mr Man]

  On 07/10/2009 at 7:40 AM, DjGsTa said:

sorry but that advice is horrible!

  On 07/10/2009 at 8:55 AM, Chich said:

And why is that....?? Know something I don't?

because if you had done your reasearch about detailing before posting you would know that you clay first to remove bonded contaminants from the paint surface, so you have a nice clean surface to work with...

I'm pretty sure that DjGsTa works in the industry (please correct me if I am mistaken).

  Chich said:

and I don't usually wax it but only because I clean it often enough not to need to

how often you clean it is irrelevant to whether you need wax or not, wax and/or sealants act to protect the paint from the elements, oxidation and other crap such as bird and tree sap etc.

Edited 07/10/09 11:23 AM by Mr Man

[Chich]

research as in reading it on the net...???

I have been in the industry for quite some time myself, and a good cutting compound as I stated, WILL remove the same contaminants as any clay bar will, not bagging the clay bar itself but stating that if you are going to buff the car properly with a good compound you will not NEED to clay the car first.

as for wax, you are correct. it will protect it from the elements, I just dont use it. yes I clean the car often and I don't think wax is a necessity. again, not bagging it its great to use it to make life easier when it comes to cleaning and preventing paint damage and what not, but I just dont use it anymore. I just keep it polished and clean it regularly and it stays as good as it would with any wax.

[dms_dan]

  On 08/10/2009 at 5:24 AM, Chich said:

research as in reading it on the net...???

I have been in the industry for quite some time myself, and a good cutting compound as I stated, WILL remove the same contaminants as any clay bar will, not bagging the clay bar itself but stating that if you are going to buff the car properly with a good compound you will not NEED to clay the car first.

as for wax, you are correct. it will protect it from the elements, I just dont use it. yes I clean the car often and I don't think wax is a necessity. again, not bagging it its great to use it to make life easier when it comes to cleaning and preventing paint damage and what not, but I just dont use it anymore. I just keep it polished and clean it regularly and it stays as good as it would with any wax.

I feel sorry for the cars you buff then.

Yes you do NEED to clay the car first. Whats your polish of choice?

When you say you keep it polished I assume you mean chemically polished with some sort of synthetic as abrasive polishing will do nothing to protect the paint.

You do need to have either a wax or sealant on the car at all times for protect from the things mentioned above.

Edited 15/10/09 08:16 AM by dms_dan

[Guest XR09]

OK I will throw my twenty cents in.

The poor bloke originaly just asked for a good polish, and asperations of buffing. He obviously has paid for the $15 to $30 braket of hand polish, and well, has got what he paid for. Wasn't it for his missus. ??? wtf How long has she been holding out lol

Ok mate and anyone interested if you have the time and want to spend the $ you can make a 4 y/o just like new again. Actually better. This will be a total legopener of a job.

I do this to my brand new cars. expecially if they are a ford. I just did it to my FG cause it was the most crap paint job of any car I have owned. And its Nitro and that shows up everything. Is this new Nitro a blend of the old nitro and bionic together ??? Sorry back to the point.

Do this inside and out of the sunlight. But you need really good lighting. One fluro hanging above the car just wont cut it, Just rent some stand lights they are not dear and a good place to hang your extensions as the polish I am going to recomend is messy. well it's really messy, you will see. And you are using water.

You will need.

1. A profesional buffer, not a variable speed grinder/sander. That crap at discount auto stores has a life span of 10 hours so it wont last the minimum amount of polish you can buy. and will burn and cut through what your trying to fix.

2. A good medium to hard buffing pad, FOAM depending on I guess really how hard you had to go with the sand paper to get all the sh#te out of the paint. And a good soft foam pad.

3. A good buffing compound. I swear by liquid Farecla G3 and Farecla g10. Its as dear as hell, ie, the liquid G3 is $89 trade a litre to well, over 120 retail.

One litre of it would do that car and maybe two others. As in an average four year old paint job. This is incredible polish. The G3 is the cutting compound. Now If you use this you have to keep it wet. Like with an atmoizer. But first just wet your buffing pad, then spin it out. You just keep wetting it down with the atomizer and keep buffing. It has to be kept wet. I did mention the mess. This stuff goes everywhere and it dries, and it sticks. As well as being a polish, it's a filler. And when it dries it goes hard mr wax stick. Very hard. I think if you were bent over mr wax stick you would beg for the wax stick every time, speaking philysophically. And come to think of it I think so is the G10 we use to finish it. Youve just been DP'ed

4. And this is optional, It will depend on whether you want to see all this orange peel (that Ford supplies FOC that I hope you dont have) destroy all the fluid lines of your new F6E ( if you have one I would almost help you for free just to rub one down ) Or your four year old that looks more like an 8 y/o. Car you S F's

For a car as large as a falcon, and the attention span of most people..... 20 sheets of 3M 1800 wet and dry. If it's not 3M then get 2000 wet and dry.

Yes those most brilliant and gifted swirlers of the buff will digress. But this is a job for Jo and wet and dry on a good soft foam/cork sanding pad is a much more controlled application don't you think. So yes also a good foam or cork hand sanding pad. or two.

5. An Atomizer, about 500ml tanks fine.

6. Masking tape.

7. Last sundays Paper.

8. Truck wash. That green armoral one is fine.

9. A good wax Maguires gold or equivalant.

So as you can see it's not cheap, nor is it easy or quick. Nothing worth doing ever is. My Fg took me around 40 hrs to do. And to be honest I should have been nastier on it with the wet and dry. There is still a little orange peel if you just get the right line and light. But that's in the base coat and we are just attacking the clear here hopefully lol.

And rather than just babble on for my sake I will let you decide whether I go on and explain it in detail or you can put together from the recipie how it goes.

Let me know if your interested.

Edited 15/10/09 12:32 PM by XR09

[dms_dan]

I HIGHLY recommend NOT wetsanding unless you know exactly what your doing. It will take seconds to ruin a paint job. At the bare minimum you will need a paint thickness gauge so you know how much paint you have left and how much you are taking off. Sanding a car down is not something that you should do just cause over a weekend.

[Rancidpunx]

Thanks for the replys and the interesting squabble that followed. Yes its the missus little grand vitara, and she couldnt care less about what it looks like as long as it runs. Now the ute gets some serious loving but that's because ive spent hard earned on it and want it to stay new as long as possible.

Thanks Lairdy for your input, my nitro is also full of orange peel (as I expect is every other new car rolling off a line) if I had the experience I would get deep into my car, but im not so polish and wax is working fine. However if you wanna give it a go you are more than welcome to get the dreaded orange peel out.

As for the handbrakes car as mentioned she couldnt careless (she will wash it half arsed miss the roof and wheels and that's good enough) so after I spent all day on it she was pleased and it looked just as good as the porsche above. But even that does not pop like a dark coloured car.