Zf Flaring When Cold

[WarrenK]

In modified cars , pan and oil changes should be part of the service component albeit expensive.

Sealed for life is just BS. Debate remains who knows better ?

A highly credentialed tranny shop or the chimps at Fraud. You break em' they can't fix em.

NFI. Fraud say it's right mate, tuner says we'll do a service on it.

Second to third downshifts sorted in manual mode .....fixed tuner, fraud she'll be right for 150ks

Fraud...........3 dealers farking useless. Just a cue of pie fetchers waiting to flog

the sh*t out of your car. Sorry but its true.

On my previous Phoon had one dealer that did pick ups for servicing , got the car back with a

AP twin plate slipping like a bastard after they finished with it.Over 100kms travelled ave fuel 78 l/100ks

ICC needs recalibrating, do it for free whilst trying to slug me $6k for a clutch replacement.

Get farked IMBOs . BTW there is no such animal as a specialist in Fraud service.

Trust me I have used enough of them in 3 states to know NFI

I am not defending Ford. If you only talk to the people at the front counter you get the answers you are getting. My brother is one of the people that work on the cars. He is only telling me the experiences he has had and what the issues he has seen.

By the way when they say it is sealed for life they mean the life of the transmission which is 150000klm which is expected life before it needs a rebuild. Any life after that is a bonus.

[WarrenK]

If you using Transmax and have no issues that is good. My brother (over 30 years working on auto transmissions. He is the one that the "credentialed tranny shop" phones up and asked to help sort out issues) has worked on these transmission since Ford introduced them. The major problems he has seen has been with oil that is not specified by ZF to use(Transmax being one of them).

F6 Tornado. You mention that you tell ZF Techs you using Transmax. The ZF tech(I think he is based in Sydney and flies from state to state as the ZF trouble shooter and trainer for dealships that use ZF gearboxes in their cars )that deals with by brother is the only person that has software to diagnose problems in these gearboxs. This is the person you should be talking to if want to know the facts about the oil.

Xtreme F6. You mention that you rebuild ZF gearboxs and use Ford parts(relabeled ZF parts). How do you get the gearchange back to the same quality as it should be without the correct software to communicate with the computer in the gearbox?

Isn't the input shaft of the gearbox the torque limiter(twisting or breaking)

Oil level should be checked when the gear box oil is at temperature of somewhere between 35 deg and 40 deg(when I get the exact temp I post it.

Please don't think I saying don't use whatever you are using, I am just telling you the information that is not a Ford or ZF point of veiw, but from a very experienced automatic technication who works on the boxes when I was about to buy a new car(FG XR6 Turbo auto ute). From this information I will service my car accordingly.

In the end it is the person own responsibility what he/she uses when sevicing these boxes and they are the ones that pay for the repairs if they get it wrong.

I know what dealers are like and I found if you talk to them nicely and annoy the crap out them, and when I say annoy, really anoy them thinks do happen for the good.

I hope my new ford dosn't have any problems, but if does I have someone on the inside that might be able help.

[tab]

So...what's your point?

Your brother might be the world's most knowledgeable person in regards to the ZF at stock power levels, but where's the relevance to people pumping twice (or more) the torque through them as discussed in this thread?

[qik1]

I think you hit the nail on the head tab. AT STOCK TORQUE/POWER!!!

How many modified cars do they really see in a ford workshop. There modding barely involve fittin a k & n filter.

Edited 27/06/09 04:28 AM by qik1

[WarrenK]

So...what's your point?

Do I need a point. I passed on information that might have been relevant to someone. If you don't want to listen to the information that there is no oil on the market that dosn't even come close to meeting the miminum specification of the ZF oil it dosn't worry me. I am not the person paying for the repairs.

If ZF think Transmax is no good for gearboxes with standard levels of torque through them, then why would it be any better for gearboxes with higher torque levels.

Like I said before any other lubricant other than was originally designed for well works well for you that is good. I am not trying to stop anyone from using anything, just giving people another point of veiw.

If anyone has any any written information on the suitability of Transmax from Castrol post the link please

[jetute]

my doctor told me to use to four seasons, I find I get better peformance without them.... but hey, who am I to argue with an expert

honestly, ford use who they are told to use... as do the people who work there (including your brother).

go and ask him what ford recommends for the T56.... and than come and tell all the guys on this forum...

I can guarantee you that he will tell you the ford recommendation

and I can aslo guarantee you that, that is something that most of us would not even contemplate sticking in our T56's.

moral of the story, there is no 1 right formula

Edited 27/06/09 07:18 AM by jetute

[Slash737]

what about penrite sin atf? would this be suitable for the zf service refill?

this is what penrite say on their website about it.

"Suitable for service fill of Mercedes 5 and 7 speed autos, ZF 4, 5 and 6 speed autos. MERCON®V (Ford M2C202B), GM DEXRON®-IIIH, Allison C-4/TES-295, Chrysler MS 9602 (ATF+4®), ZF TE-ML14B/C, JASO 1A ."

Penrite SIN ATF meets or exceeds the performance

requirements of:

GM DEXRON-IIIH

Ford

MERCON-V/SP

ZF TE-ML-14C

Toyota T-IV/WS

HONDA ATF Z1

JASO 1A

CHRYSLER

MB 236.10/11/12

MITSUBISHI MM-SP 3

MB NAG-1 and NAG-2

ALLISON TES-389/295/C4

VOITH 55.6335.3X (G607)

MAN 339 V1/Z1/Z2

MB 236.3/5/7/9

NISSANMATIC C/D/J/K

MAZDA M-V

Edited 27/06/09 07:56 AM by Slash737

[trevs]

SectorCategoryMakeModelCars & SUVsCars & SUVsFORD (AUS)XR8, 5.4, V8 (Falcon BF Series)New SearchPrintEmail MakeFORD (AUS)ModelXR8, 5.4, V8 (Falcon BF Series)EnginePYear2005 -

ApplicationRecommendationCapacity (ltr)Engine (P) (3V, 4V)HPR 56.0 / 6.3Manual Transmission- (q)Automatic Transmission (ZF 6HP26)SIN ATF4.0DifferentialSIN Gear 80 (d)1.9CoolantPremium AF/AB (n)13.1 / 13.6Brake FluidFirst ChoiceBrake Fluid 5250.5May also UseSIN Brake FluidClutch FluidFirst ChoiceBrake Fluid 5250.1May also UseSIN Brake FluidPower SteeringPower Steering Fluid1.1

the penrite website says the above oil can be used with the zf box fitted to an xr8 ,

Edited 27/06/09 08:42 AM by trevs

[ratter]

Castrol website guide does not list an oil for the 6 speed, it says to refer to dealer

[WarrenK]

I went searching for recommended oils for Ford ZF gearboxes and found Shell(this is the one that Ford use) and the Penrite(attached file)one that Trevs posted. Still looking, but haven't any other recommened oils yet.

Back to Evil F6's question about metal fillings in the gearbox.

Sorry I don't know what would cause the metal fillings, maybe the flaring is causing a wear issue. If you don't want go to Ford talk to a reputable auto shop. They might be able to help with some answers and recommendations on what to do.

ATF_DX_VI_1_.pdf

ATF_DX_VI_1_.pdf

Edited 28/06/09 04:07 AM by WarrenK