Matty Johns

[Kimberley Scott]

Right there are so manay facets of this story that rile me I will deal with one or two at a time.

1 Media

a. An investigation is a "search for the truth in the intersts of justice and within the specifications of the law". This doers not have to be done by authorities ahence we have what is farcicaly called investigative journalism.

b. An investigation was done on the say we call it an incident by the apropiate authorities, and whilst I am not privvy to the ouctcome I believe it was case closed nothing to answer for not case reamining open not sufficient evidence. So why is it anyone else being raised 7 years later, I can tell why, media whores who can destry a person/s lives to make a headline, to further their own grubby career.

c. On the media, I have not listened to all the media as initially it was just another beat up on a footballer, so I paid little attention. But from the few sound bites I have heard, terms like sexual predators, morally guilty have been banied about. This is by the same media that openely ran with stories about Cougers (to some an offensive term) and realisehed in the fact that it was OK for older women to target (hunt) younger men. Now if you know me, not the persona I portray on here mostly but the real me, I am all for equal sexual rights. So good on Cougers. But hey has the pendulaum swung that far that society accepts female sexual predators but male are not allowed.

2 Morals

a. I may not agree with your opinions or your morals, but I will fight and die if neccesary for you to have them. But what anyone within reason the right to impose their respective morals and beliefs on others. The only morals and beliefs you are held accountable for are those of the laws of the land and that which be deemed of a normal member of society, and not just ione but a jury of them hopefully to give an even spread of points of view.

b. You may find group sex disgusting and debasing, but many love it, and there are people making a forune marketing it, IE swingers clubs, porn videos, magazines etc etc. Blame these long before you blame footballers.

As promised only a few points at a time.

Scotty

[tmac450]

It is another media beat up, instigated by the Labour loving ABC, conveniently just ahead of the worst budget announcement in this country's history.

Yes MJ cheated, but is every media personality innocent of that? The cheating aspect is an issue between him and his family.

As far as the group thing goes, he wasn't involved. By the woman's own admission, she was inviting the players into the room, saying things like, "You're next", "Not you, him again" (pointing to MJ, who declined and left the room), and "You can't come in here unless you're naked".

By all accounts, she sounds like she was a league groupie mole, who now regrets what she did. She also has seen the current problems the league is having as a money making opportunity. She may not have been paid by 4 corners, but it's a good advert for her to be paid for future media deals.

MJ clearly did the wrong thing, but no laws were broken, it was 7 years ago, and the media beat up is most certainly one sided.

Also, how dare the NRL use MJ as their scape goad, when they are responsible for burying the story when it happened 7 years ago. If it had of come out back then, it wouldn't be an issue now. Truth be told, if it had come out last year, it wouldn't have been an issue. It's just the current NRL issues that have made it all a huge drama.

Why is it OK for Shane Warne to be a hailed a hero despite being a drug cheating, adulterating sleeze bag, but MJ makes one mistake and he's crucified?

[Pixy Angel]

Wow...........hot topic.

One I’m not getting involved in. There sure are some very strong points made.

Got the better of me, it happened 7 years ago so why bring it up now for?

:angel:

[turbo.vixen]

so to all the people that say "it was 7 years ago", are you saying he should be forgiven? I like the quote that someone said "over the last 7 years he has lived a normal life and has had a successful career, but the pain and depression she has gone through has messed her up big time", the truth in that maked my decision. im sick of these footballers thinkin that they are gods gift and can get away with anything. you dont think its a big deal because you dont know her, but it would be a different story if it was a family member or a friend.....

[azasturbo]

TMAC are you suggesting it was a ploy by the labor party to take the focus away from the budget? that's a pretty big stretch mate, that bow must have a long string.

And I just read the four corners transcript and I find no quote of her saying those things, only Johns suggestion that she did.

And I also thought that dick warnie copped it pretty bad as well and lost a fair few sponsorship deals over his activities off the field.

Its pretty simple choose to live a life in the public etye and want to enjoy the benefits it affords, you have to deal with the repurcussions of your actions in the public eye as well.

And as for the money making suggestions she hasnt been paid a cent, asked for her identity to be hidden etc so I doubt shes trying to cash in, More she is at that point in her life she has to face her demons, voice what happened to her and move on with her life and I say more power to her.

If her coming out helps her get on with her life, and helps others avoid getting into the horrible situation she found herself in she has done the right thing about coming forward. If the result of this is that meathead has his life exposed for the mess that it is and causes him some mental grief that is even better, because maybe just maybe he may get an inkling of how worthless, used and venerable she has felt for the last 7 years.

So anyone who thinks its ok can I organise a gangbang with your daughter I have a few mates coming over on the weekend. Seriously no wonder women think men have no self control when everyone says the woman is a slut she wanted it blah blah blah, what the men involved couldnt have thought about it for a second and decided it probably wanst the best or most respectful thing to do.

If it was a group of lebanese boys in the room, people would be calling it rape and calling for them to be deported, but because its a footballer or any sportsman in Australia its a different matter apparently.

[Kimberley Scott]

3 Sports Icons are Role Models

a. What makes a professional sportsman or woman a role model? For me this is a load of BS, yes I have favourites and some I loathe. But never is this based on what they do outside of their respective sporting role.

Wanyne Carey, an outstanding sportsman, he has made some fundemenatl mistakes as a human being, but who has not. Same can be said for Gary Ablett, Shane Warne etc etc.

b. Yes sportmen and womaen get paid well and yes with that comes a certain degree of public scrutiny, but ask yourself before judging, would you like to live under that scruntiny? Also ask yourself if you were under that scrutiny, how many so called outrages and news stories come from your life. Alchol abuse anti social behaviour (especially on the roads etc etc)

Scotty

[azasturbo]

Hey KS

A) I persnally dont put any sports stars as role models for my life I would rather look up and aspire to be like successful leaders and thinkers etc who actually contribute to society, Unfortunantly though Australian culture is a very sports focused mentality and people look up to and admire them. When they put themselves as faces of awareness or community campaigns etc they are putting themselves up as role models. To me a role model should be someone who carries themselves with dignity and pride in all aspects of there lives.

b) no I would not like to be under that sort of scrutiny hence why I didnt pursue a career in public life, and no nothing I have ever done would create half the scandal these idiots seem to bring upon themselves.

[tmac450]

TMAC are you suggesting it was a ploy by the labor party to take the focus away from the budget? that's a pretty big stretch mate, that bow must have a long string.

And I just read the four corners transcript and I find no quote of her saying those things, only Johns suggestion that she did.

And I also thought that dick warnie copped it pretty bad as well and lost a fair few sponsorship deals over his activities off the field.

Its pretty simple choose to live a life in the public etye and want to enjoy the benefits it affords, you have to deal with the repurcussions of your actions in the public eye as well.

And as for the money making suggestions she hasnt been paid a cent, asked for her identity to be hidden etc so I doubt shes trying to cash in, More she is at that point in her life she has to face her demons, voice what happened to her and move on with her life and I say more power to her.

If her coming out helps her get on with her life, and helps others avoid getting into the horrible situation she found herself in she has done the right thing about coming forward. If the result of this is that meathead has his life exposed for the mess that it is and causes him some mental grief that is even better, because maybe just maybe he may get an inkling of how worthless, used and venerable she has felt for the last 7 years.

So anyone who thinks its ok can I organise a gangbang with your daughter I have a few mates coming over on the weekend. Seriously no wonder women think men have no self control when everyone says the woman is a slut she wanted it blah blah blah, what the men involved couldnt have thought about it for a second and decided it probably wanst the best or most respectful thing to do.

If it was a group of lebanese boys in the room, people would be calling it rape and calling for them to be deported, but because its a footballer or any sportsman in Australia its a different matter apparently.

I'm only suggesting that the timing of the story may be a ploy, not the story itself.

Why isn't the woman's story being questioned by the media? Why is it assumed MJ is lying and the woman isn't? Given the way certain women have been known to throw themselves at celebrities, it's not out of the question that she played a bigger role in instigating the incident than is being suggested.

I am in no way condoning either party's actions, but there are certain holes in the stories from both sides, and there are certainly some timing issues involved with the release of the story, as far as money making potential given the league's current issues. She may not have been paid for the story by 4 corners (although that has never been confirmed), but there's nothing to say there won't be other networks in Australia and NZ offering payments for interviews, not to mention the obligatory No Idea, Woman's Day articles.

I think it is niave in the extreme to lay the entire blame on Johns. The woman is almost certainly not innocent in the matter either. If she was, the NZ Police would have made some arrests 7 years ago, as it would have been a pack rape.

The 7 year issue is not to condone it, but it is to demonstrate that this was an incident that was already dealt with in the distant past. I fail to see how making it a public sh*t storm could do anything to help the woman get over her anguish.

[ZAP]

azasturbo, you need to keep the "if ti was your daughter" out of this argument as it is not the case and just brings in emotion that is not needed.

While you seem to have a high moral position on the subject, you need to remember that we are talking about a mixture of a slut and footballers, not smart people by any streatch.

My issue is that MJ has no way to defend himself against these allergations, as from everything I have seen and read HE DID NOTHING WRONG aside from cheat on his wife. It was what happened after MJ got his root that is the problem, but the slut does not know who the people are only MJ as he is now high profile.

Giving the slut airtime to drag up a past mistake should get the ABC in hot water and hopefully sued as they have slandered MJ by having no proof, only the word of a hussey.

If MJ's wife has forgiven him, then it should just be a private matter and not continually beaten up by the media. they now want MJ to name the other players, so they can ruin their lives.

[jimmy1234]

If it was my daughter or sister I would expect her to know better.

This slutbag consented to sex with several people, now she regrets it. Seems pretty simple to me.